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Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air

119 点作者 michielt超过 4 年前

20 条评论

awak3ning超过 4 年前
Honestly, I don&#x27;t think anyone is holding their breath for the day that corporations like Apple and Microsoft give the world the Linux that they deserve.<p>Imagine if these power brokers didn&#x27;t exist and a whole generation of children grew up on Linux rather than Mac&#x2F;PC. Huge opportunity cost for society in my opinion.
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bufferoverflow超过 4 年前
Mirror<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20201122182830&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.realworldtech.com&#x2F;forum&#x2F;?threadid=196533&amp;curpostid=196570" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20201122182830&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.realw...</a>
spijdar超过 4 年前
One thing I recall is Linus is really big on &quot;absolutely no noise whatsoever&quot;. The passively cooled but still reasonably powerful Air seems like ideal hardware for his tastes, at least for a laptop.
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bArray超过 4 年前
&gt; Torvalds, of course, can already have an ARM based Linux<p>&gt; laptop if he wants one—for example, the Pinebook Pro. The<p>&gt; unspoken part here is that he&#x27;d like a high-performance<p>&gt; ARM based laptop, rather than a budget-friendly but<p>&gt; extremely performance constrained design such as one finds<p>&gt; in the Pinebook Pro, the Raspberry Pi, or a legion of<p>&gt; other inexpensive gadgets.<p>I believe he currently uses an AMD threadripper setup - there would be nothing stopping him using something like the PineBook Pro as a &quot;dumb terminal&quot; and having his builds done off-machine. It would mean that he is dependent on an internet connection, but it wouldn&#x27;t have to be a fast one as he would only need to send deltas to the build process. (This would be on top of other mechanisms like CI.)<p>The PineBook Pro has quite a reasonable keyboard, is quite light and gets decent battery. He could reasonably use it all day without issue. Re-flashing it can be as simple as throwing a new SD card into it, which could also help in terms of security whilst traveling (re-flash it when you get to your location).<p>I would very much tell him and other people to seriously consider such a machine.
tech5000超过 4 年前
&gt; I&#x27;ve been waiting for an ARM laptop that can run Linux for a long time.<p>I wonder if the Pinebook Pro would suit some Linux laptop use cases? Its an ARM laptop for $200, no fan, that ships with Manjaro Linux installed.
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djhworld超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m really not holding out much hope that Linux will natively run on these M1s, even if we get it to boot there&#x27;s all the driver issues for the integrated GPU, audio, wifi etc.<p>I&#x27;d imagine there is a lot of power management stuff on there too.
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solarkraft超过 4 年前
René Rebe has some thoughts about this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=2NglGEnSJdU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=2NglGEnSJdU</a><p>TL;DW (the essence and consequence of that thread): This is not going to happen unless Apple publishes documentation so that drivers can be developed.<p>ARM laptops are already here though, look at the Pinebook Pro and ARM Chromebooks that are out there. The new Surface Pro X at least has an EFI and the drivers are somewhat there instead of not at all. It would be an order or magnitude less work to get that running Linux properly instead of the M1.<p>My opinion: I&#x27;m not expecting to see usable Linux on M1 devices any time soon. Apple are nicer about this than they are usually however - they want to prove that their new platform can be taken seriously and do general purpose computing - it looks like they lightly hinted at cooperating with Microsoft about Windows on ARM (though it may just be deflection).<p>They are pretty certainly not going to develop any drivers for anyone else, but I think there&#x27;s a (low) chance we&#x27;ll see documentation that will allow others to do so.
shmerl超过 4 年前
The main point:<p><i>&gt; I don&#x27;t have the time to tinker with it, or the inclination to fight companies that don&#x27;t want to help.</i>
ThinkBeat超过 4 年前
Full support for Linux on the M1 may not come for a long time. If ever.<p>I am confident smart heads could get Linux to boot in it, according to one comment someone already has.<p>But getting everything working and getting the best out of all parts of the M1 will take work. Esp. if Apple does not release detailed specs and drivers. (open source yeah right). Dynamically adjusting which cores to use high performance or energy saver for one.<p>I look forward to having a Linux compiler that knows how to make the best use of the 16 Neural Engine cores in conjunctions with the rest of the chip.
rijoja超过 4 年前
So it seems that what could be problematic is not getting it to boot but rather how to get proper graphics support. How difficult would it be to reverse engineer the GPU?
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raverbashing超过 4 年前
I wonder if we have confirmation from an M1 owner (that is familiar with Apple stuff) that there&#x27;s no way of booting from external media from the &quot;bios&quot;<p>Of course, then you would need to get on the whole trouble of initializing video&#x2F;T2&#x2F;etc but it could be doable
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hadrien01超过 4 年前
Can you install Linux on the Surface Pro X?
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0df8dkdf超过 4 年前
I have dual boated mac and linux for some time.<p>They main thing about running linux on mac are the drivers. All the touch pad are design to use with macOS.<p>Using mac is a also new way of using user interface with multi-touch and scroll.
birktj超过 4 年前
Does there exist soc any that would be suitable for a powerful arm laptop that can run Linux? How does for example the nvidia xavier soc stack up against the apple m1?
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lupinglade超过 4 年前
Not much of a point in running Linux on Apple hardware, macOS is still by far the better option here. Linux needs a lot of work to be able to compete with macOS.
miohtama超过 4 年前
Can it boot Linux? I assume Apple would have these devices boot locked by now. Though you can run Linux quite comfortably in Virtual box nowadays.
mrbonner超过 4 年前
If Linus wants to have an Arm laptop to run Linux, I wonder why didn’t he consider a Chromebook.
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SavageHenry超过 4 年前
maybe we don&#x27;t need the GPU drivers? for embedded applications in robotics that crave single threaded speed, the performance&#x2F;watt would be a welcome improvement over embedded i7&#x27;s
vaccinator超过 4 年前
It should be a requirement for all computing devices to be Linux-compatible once the company making them gets to a certain size
new_realist超过 4 年前
Apple goes all out reinventing the desktop processor, and all anyone wants to do is cut them down for not pre-porting Linux to it. So much bigoted hate and entitlement on display here.
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