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For the first time in Europe, registrations for EVs overtook diesel

267 点作者 Osiris30超过 4 年前

20 条评论

paganel超过 4 年前
This list includes frankenstein hybrids like the Mercedes GLE 450 Hybrid [1], there&#x27;s nothing environmentally friendly about that vehicle.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.motortrend.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;mercedes-benz&#x2F;gle-class&#x2F;2020&#x2F;2020-mercedes-benz-gle450-interior-review&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.motortrend.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;mercedes-benz&#x2F;gle-class&#x2F;2020...</a>
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MrRiddle超过 4 年前
This includes mild hybrid. Example engine from popular Volvo XC60 is B4P 145+10 kW (197+14 KS).<p>Soo, yeah, huge number of those vehicles included are actually diesel powered cars. The fact it adds a bit of torque from electric motor doesn’t change a thing.
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Daniel_sk超过 4 年前
If that also includes MHEV then the statistics tell nothing. I bought a new Audi A6, it&#x27;s a quite massive 3.0 diesel (210kW &#x2F; 282 hp), I was actually surprised it&#x27;s a hybrid when I went to register it and pay the &quot;tax&quot; - I got 50% off because it&#x27;s a hybrid. I had to actually look it up on Google. It turns out most new Audi cars are MHEV, which is basically only used when the car is &quot;coasting&quot;, the motor is decoupled from the rest and if you don&#x27;t disable Start-Stop then it will also be turned off. Now in this special circumstance there is an additional battery + small electric motor that will only help to start the engine again. That&#x27;s it. The motor doesn&#x27;t really pull the vehicle. It does save some fuel especially on the highway, but not in the city. Audi mentions up to 0.7 liters &#x2F; 100 kilometers for Audi Q8. I see it mainly as a benefit for the driver, in most EU countries you pay a lot money for bigger (more kW) cars.
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stinos超过 4 年前
Bit off-topic perhaps, but he SUV popularity remains baffling to me especially in this age. That&#x27;s maybe because I&#x27;m looking from the wrong angle or I&#x27;m just wrong when it comes to physics. In general I see a pretty big car with a rather big front with flat parts and a high wheelbase. So in comparision with a more &#x27;normal&#x27; one that means the user pays extra per mile because of the additional weight and wind resistance? So what makes that extra cost worth it, why does this type of car thrive so well? Is it just looks (I think they&#x27;re ugly but that&#x27;s irrelevant)? Is it the &#x27;everyone has one&#x27; effect? Does it handle better perhaps? More on-topic: will the energy problem come into play when transitioning these cars into the EV-space?<p><i>edit</i> to clarify, seeing the comments regarding hard to reach areas etc, where an SUV does something useful: I&#x27;m talking standard Western European countries here with mild climate, hardly any snow, i.e. no use for 4WD or so.
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2ion超过 4 年前
Only because the state is throwing money at it like crazy. No taxes on EVs. Subsidies to the tune of 10000€. Per private purchase. There are certain types of lower end EV (like Renault Zoe) that can be purchased effectively for nearly free right now.
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rich_sasha超过 4 年前
Sounds like good news, but... the way the headline reads, gives me some disquiet.<p>Diesels gained popularity as the more eco-friendly, efficient car, justifying their higher price tag. Then it turned out to be a lie. Now they are replaced by the more eco-friendly, efficient <i>electric</i> cars.<p>I hope it doesn&#x27;t end the same way this time!
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ojagodzinski超过 4 年前
Fake news.<p>Electrified are counted as pure electric, plug-in hybrids, full hybrids and mild hybrids. &quot;Mild hybrids&quot; is just a petrol car with bigger starter motor.
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ginko超过 4 年前
I wonder if this is completely true. There were quite a few electric vehicles around 1900 while cars with diesel engines were rather uncommon at that point in time.
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lumberjack超过 4 年前
I calculated fuel savings if I owned an EV. I did it for Germany. The fuel savings are basically negligible (it was about 200 Euros per year). This is due to high electricity prices. In the US at least you can say, I will pay $15k more upfront, but then I will get it back in fuel savings. But in Europe people drive far less and electricity is significantly more expensive.<p>It&#x27;s still not financially wise to own an EV.
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mr_nobody超过 4 年前
I bought a car this year. I was thinking about Tesla or Porsche Taycan, but unfortunately in Poland there is no infrastructure to charge them. I live in the flat so I had to go with gasoline car. Maybe in the next 5 years.
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acd超过 4 年前
This is very good news for air quality in cities. Dirty diesel has for a long while polluted city air, while car makers claimed they where &quot;clean&quot;. The only clean part about diesels where lower co2 emissions, diesels pollute a lot of small particles which are bad for humans to breathe. Modern hybrid cars has as low fuel consumption as diesels but pollutes a lot less particles in cities.
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mothsonasloth超过 4 年前
I don&#x27;t care if the car is propelled by organic ethical cow methane. I will never buy a new car, even with subsidies. It&#x27;s just a bad investment overall.<p>To make matters worse, there is no incentive to buy a certified used EV (at least for Europe).<p>For the cynical amongst us, this is the best time to buy a luxury used Diesel car e.g. (Audi A6, BMW 5 series etc.)
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logiccircuit超过 4 年前
dont be fooled - these are mainly german hybrid cars which are in fact guzzlers. the new german carmaker scam is to slap a low quality electric engine on an otherwise highly polluting car, so buyers avoid paying taxes (there are many incentives for buying evs and hybrids, sadly exploited by such carmakers).
dewey超过 4 年前
Not surprised. At least here in Austria there were very good offers for electric cars this year where (especially small businesses) received big government bonuses for corona, electric cars in general and other tax cuts.
Dumblydorr超过 4 年前
How are fully one quarter of new, NEW, sales diesel in EU? In the US, diesel is rather uncommon, whereas with BEV, it&#x27;s mostly tesla and the leaf, I haven&#x27;t seen many BEVs from other makers.
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olivermarks超过 4 年前
Let&#x27;s not forget vehicle manufacturers have been whipsawed over the last decade, first instructed and legislated over to focus on clean diesel over short timeframes, requiring massive investment. Then scientific opinions changed and the massive subsidies and legislative pressure switched to electric vehicles, with diesel being effectively outlawed in passenger vehicles<p>2016 example <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jaguarlandrover.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;cleaner-safer-smarter-mobility" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jaguarlandrover.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;cleaner-safer-smarter-m...</a>
cblconfederate超过 4 年前
Once could also say that &quot;diesel went below EVs&quot;
taksintikk超过 4 年前
Bravo.
barrenko超过 4 年前
Really really doubt this is true.
conradfr超过 4 年前
In other news France faces power cuts and electricity rationing as shortage threatens [1] (despite announcing the contrary last June).<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.express.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;world&#x2F;1362163&#x2F;france-electricity-shortage-blackout-RTE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.express.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;world&#x2F;1362163&#x2F;france-electric...</a>
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