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Front: The $1.3B Startup Slackifying Email

160 点作者 bdr超过 4 年前

34 条评论

ryan29超过 4 年前
&gt; Front is like Slack for your email, except instead of creating another distracting, noisy, always-on tool, Front allows users to spin up ephemeral chats within email threads themselves.<p>That&#x27;s the exact <i>opposite</i> of what I&#x27;d want. Most small businesses have the same email problem that I always feel like I do. Too many requests come in via email and it&#x27;s hard to track, discuss, resolve, and (at a later date) reference all that info.<p>This is what I wanted on MS365:<p>- Forward an email to a special address. Ex: ryan29@todo.example.com (the TODO address for ryan29@example.com).<p>- Use Power Automate to create a Teams channel for the email.<p>- Use Power Automate to post some cards to the channel; one to (optionally) create a Planner Task, one to resolve the topic.<p>- Notify @ryan29 about the new topic.<p>- I deal with the topic. If it&#x27;s long lived or complex, I create a Task. If I need input, I @mention others that can help. If it&#x27;s simple 5-15 minute thing, I do the work and click the link to resolve the topic.<p>- When the topic is closed (by link or by closing the related task), the Teams channel is archived and the original email thread gets a reply saying it&#x27;s done with a link to the Teams channel.<p>That way all conversation about the task is consolidated into Teams, long lived tasks are tracked via Planner, email stays relatively clean from internal communication, and I don&#x27;t waste a bunch of time dealing with some 3rd party&#x27;s idea of optimal workflows or value adds.<p>The issues I had were that Teams, Planner, etc. have limits on the number of channels &#x2F; tasks and Power Automate &#x2F; Teams lacked some functionality that would make it really streamlined.<p>However, I was close enough after a few hours of playing around that I can&#x27;t believe something like &quot;adding Slack chat to email threads&quot; is a $1 billion problem.
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Mengkudulangsat超过 4 年前
Call me old-school, but I still don&#x27;t buy into these &quot;revenue multiple&quot; nonsense. Traditional valuation metrics like PER, EV&#x2F;EBITDA, DCF etc. all tie back in one way or another to the cashflow-generating potential of a company.<p>Revenue multiples have, at best, only tenuous relationship to cashflow. If you sell $10 notes for $1, in theory you can have infinite revenue.<p>I wish investors would just stop pretending tech valuation these days have anything to do with financials, which is actually fine.<p>Maybe it is time we shift what we think the equity market is about. Nowadays its less a place to go looking for returns and more one-giant-PATREON where you buy a stake just because you are a fan.
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alberth超过 4 年前
Off-topic: Does Apple allow you to self host &amp; use on your website their San Francisco font?<p>It appears this site is using San Francisco.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sacra.com&#x2F;static&#x2F;fonts&#x2F;SF-Pro-Text-Regular.837e727014ba.woff" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sacra.com&#x2F;static&#x2F;fonts&#x2F;SF-Pro-Text-Regular.837e72701...</a>
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jamiequint超过 4 年前
3% CMGR is 42.6% a year, which is slower than Asanas trailing 12 months of growth (48.74%) and only a bit faster than Smartsheet (36.88%), which are trading at 15.9 and 13.7 projected 2021 revenue respectively. At $38m in ARR that means that at 1.3bn you&#x27;d be paying 24x 2021 revenue, which seems a bit expensive compared to Asana (obviously a different product, but similar buyers, market, cost structure, and monetization)
martinesko36超过 4 年前
Disclaimer: I work on Emailio (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;emailio.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;emailio.com</a>), a YC company that is a direct competitor to Front. We help you build healthy email habits.<p>Slack is detrimental to team communication in several ways, and bringing it to email is a mistake imho. Slack combines the stress and urgency of text messaging with the importance of email. Your Slack becomes a Facebook or Twitter feed - another infinite feed that addicts you to some level. Since it&#x27;s a chat, the conversations are shallow and disorganized. For example, search never worked properly in Slack for me. Furthermore, synchronous communication has proven poor for wellness and work-life balance.<p>I know Slack just got acquired and its the hot new thing but email is great as it is - its our ways of using it that need to change.
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tikej超过 4 年前
Slackifying e-mail sounds like a nightmare to me. Email is about perfect for what it was designed. I check it when I want to check it, few Times a day. We (as humanity) really give up more and more of our most precious resources: attention and deep focus.
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harikb超过 4 年前
I am surprised there is no mention of Google Wave, the promising technology that did all of this, but died due to an unfortunate release&#x2F;invite process.<p>I logged in to Wave using my hard-earned early-invite in excitement only to realize I couldn&#x27;t communicate with non-wave gmail users :(
anfilt超过 4 年前
Sigh while email is not perfect it’s at least not centralized. Also unless they are posting rfcs to the IETF for an open protocol its just a proprietary trap&#x2F;lockin.
fouc超过 4 年前
This is about <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;frontapp.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;frontapp.com</a> which I&#x27;ve never heard about before today.
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srgpqt超过 4 年前
This app is nothing unique or new, here&#x27;s another in the same space:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;missiveapp.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;missiveapp.com</a>
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sandGorgon超过 4 年前
Fyi - this blog post is a misssell and that&#x27;s why the comments are so inflammatory.<p>Front is a competitor to Salesforce. And much nicer&#x2F;simpler. It does that by creating a shared inbox. And it creates an entire workflow around that. Even though it&#x27;s a shared inbox...who gets what.<p>It basically makes your support@ address better. I&#x27;m super unsure on why it&#x27;s even being called as &quot;slackifying email&quot;, because that&#x27;s not what it does. I&#x27;m not sure what &quot;ephemeral conversation&quot; means...but Front treats a support email as a ticket. So your internal teams can comment on an email and discuss what action to take,etc.
booleandilemma超过 4 年前
Can people still passive-aggressively cc my boss on emails to me when they want me to drop everything to work on their special issue?
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xikrib超过 4 年前
I feel talking about DAUs is a little deceptive for enterprise software given that &#x27;users&#x27; are essentially forced to not only use their employer&#x27;s software stack, but use it daily
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goatherders超过 4 年前
Missive is 1&#x2F;3 the price of Front and offers the exact same product. Cancelled front yesterday.
harrygeez超过 4 年前
We don&#x27;t have to be so dismissive of ideas that clearly doesn&#x27;t target our use cases. I can see why is this useful for a shared inbox such as customer support emails.
dillondoyle超过 4 年前
I LOVE Front. &#x27;slackifying&#x27; is such a bad reduction. Cross-channel communication, multi-seat enterprise support, CRM and automation would be better buzzwords.<p>My experience:<p>I spent a good amount of time thinking of ideas and building a plugin for our clients&#x2F;use case. I think the concept would be killer if we can execute and get our clients to scale.<p>THENNNNN FB changed their rules and now I can&#x27;t use Front to message outside of 24 hours.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t bet&#x2F;invest FB won&#x27;t block all access to Messenger api once tools like Front are just gaining traction and or they have time to copy the best features into their own messenger tool.<p>My experience with the Front plugin api is kind of not great and missing basic features that were in version 1 but not in 2, and 1 is not supported anymore. And I think the RxJS doesn&#x27;t help and like if you have to &#x27;hack&#x27; a settimeout anyways to get and cache the state then what&#x27;s the point...
berkserbet超过 4 年前
Isn&#x27;t Slackifying email just Slack?
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dougb5超过 4 年前
Folks who were around during the first dot-com boom might remember Zaplets, which tried to do this 20 years ago. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;forbes&#x2F;2000&#x2F;0612&#x2F;6514218a.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;forbes&#x2F;2000&#x2F;0612&#x2F;6514218a.html</a><p><i>&quot;Combine the Web, instant messaging and e-mail, and you get Zaplets...You also get a fistful of nifty features--from live chats and instant polls to real-time snapshots of your stock portfolio&quot;</i><p>It was created by a company called FireDrop that raised $100 million and then suddenly flamed out. Bad timing, maybe, since this was around the time of the crash. I can&#x27;t remember anyone I know ever receiving a Zaplet but they sure generated a lot of buzz.
gnicholas超过 4 年前
I can imagine that there is something better than email for many people, but the problem is that people have optimized their lives and companies have optimized their processes around the fact that email is a key mode of communication.<p>So even if you knew what would be better for people than email in the long-run, it&#x27;s not clear that it would be better for them in the short-run. And even if it is actually better for people in the short-run, you still have to convince them of this in order for them to try your new thing.<p>So to disrupt email you not only have to &#x27;skate to where the puck is going&#x27;, you also have to convince a bunch of other people to skate away from where the puck is now.
6gvONxR4sf7o超过 4 年前
I wish people would treat including you on an email like @-mentioning them slack. It may be async, but it’s just as awful for signal to noise ratio.<p>I’m just about ready to give up on my inbox as a lost cause, and that’s my work inbox.
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zafiro17超过 4 年前
The folks who do Fastmail built Topicbox (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;topicbox.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;topicbox.com</a>) a few years ago and I don&#x27;t yet see how Front differs from that product. Basically, it brings the concept of conversation channels to inbox, while providing a permanent record of the chats that your newer employees can read to catch up on what happened before they arrived, or for compliance. I think their implementation is pretty slick.
martindbp超过 4 年前
I know this is beating a dead horse, but this whole messaging&#x2F;email and social media business just seems like such a useless zero-sum game to me. I get that these companies become valuable, but I don&#x27;t think they&#x27;re adding much value to the world. Definitely not in proportion to their valuation. In video conferencing, there are at least some hard issues being solved to make that work, and it&#x27;s improving over time.
outside1234超过 4 年前
&quot;We value Front at $1.3B&quot;<p>[closes tab]<p>I mean, seriously.
timdaub超过 4 年前
All these companies trying to innovate on email by making user interface tweaks should really re-adjust their priorities.<p>Email at its core is a protocol. That&#x27;s great. But we haven&#x27;t achieved widespread encryption within the network (e.g. gmail reads everyone&#x27;s emails).<p>That&#x27;s the user experience problem that needs solving. Everything else is just adding complexity to something that works well anyways.
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nottorp超过 4 年前
&gt; Front: The $1.3B Startup Slackifying Email<p>How does it help me if they have 1.3 Bn? Or are valued at 1.3 Bn?<p>Generally speaking, why would I care how much they&#x27;re valued at? Shouldn&#x27;t I care if they solve a problem for me?<p>Unless what they want is my investment money, not me as a customer. In which case I worry they don&#x27;t solve any problems I have...
Ajnasz超过 4 年前
Some years ago Slack advertised itself as a tool to replace e-mail too..
mulmen超过 4 年前
Please leave email alone, it didn&#x27;t hurt anyone.
cocktailpeanuts超过 4 年前
Nice try, but this &quot;$1.3B Startup&quot; is nothing more than a glorified UI on top of email. I wonder how they will justify their valuation in this crowded market.<p>And this article at this timing (on the same day Slack was acquired) is clearly a marketing article for this company.<p>They should have just owned it and said &quot;come use our service instead of slack, now that slack is acquired&quot;, instead of throwing around the cringe worthy hype words like &quot;slackifying email&quot;
neom超过 4 年前
I don&#x27;t think I totally understand why Front paid Sacra to make this? Are they going public and are worried or....?
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29athrowaway超过 4 年前
Wasn&#x27;t Google Wave also &quot;Slackifying&quot; e-mail around a decade ago?
swyx超过 4 年前
@dang it&#x27;s clear many people are responding negatively to &quot;slackifying email&quot;. it&#x27;s clearly designed to ride the slack acquisition clickbait wave and detracts from the conversation. suggest &quot;transforming team email&quot; instead.
nt2h9uh238h超过 4 年前
What is CMGR6? &quot;growing 5% CMGR6 for a 35x multiple. &quot;
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npiit超过 4 年前
&gt;$49&#x2F;$79 per user billed annually.<p>Seriously who pays for such a rudimentary product all that money. The pricing doesn&#x27;t make any sense.
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otabdeveloper4超过 4 年前
&gt; Slackified email<p>Shudder.