Also: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25272778" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25272778</a>, <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25272792" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25272792</a>