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A Japanese shop is 1,020 years old

341 点作者 kawera超过 4 年前

26 条评论

agar超过 4 年前
A colleague took me to Tamahide restaurant in Tokyo, which opened in 1760 and is known for creating oyakodon, a chicken and egg rice bowl. (Oyakadon translates to &quot;parent and child donburi&quot; which somehow makes eating a combination of chicken and egg a little less appealing).<p>Looking at reviews today, people apparently see the food as a mixed bag - some are clearly disappointed. In my opinion, it was excellent, with the signature dish having balanced flavors that seem to have been refined for generations. I found it endlessly fascinating that a humble lunch place with a simple dish could survive for 250+ years - but it also makes perfect sense that simple things last.<p>My colleague (a local in our Japan office) told me that emperors of old had ordered the dish to be delivered to them, well before Japan had even been &quot;opened&quot; to the world. Perhaps the stories were apocryphal (he was a sales guy after all), but still entertaining and gave a sense of the history behind the meal.<p>Tokyo is an amazing city, though it can be very lonely for an expat.
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kstrauser超过 4 年前
Well, crud. I honestly thought a 10-bit `company_age` field would be sufficient. I&#x27;ll add a Pivotal story to make the database migration.
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nkoren超过 4 年前
Damnit, last year I walked straight past that mochi shop without even realising it. And now I&#x27;m hungry.<p>(Seriously, though, the snacking in Kyoto is epic. Lovely temples and all, but when I go back, my first stop will be at a yatsuhashi shop, then mochi, then those red bean fish cake thingies, then maybe a cucumber on a stick. Damnit, now I&#x27;m REALLY hungry. Anyhow, these are businesses worth keeping around for a thousand years. They&#x27;re just that tasty.)
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sriram_sun超过 4 年前
Do shops like these mostly inherited? I&#x27;m also aware of Japan&#x27;s adult adoptions. Is there pressure on the next gen. to take over the family business? I would think yes.<p>In my mind, just imagining operating for a Millennium, these institutions are more temples than businesses. Brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it. Thankfully the practice is not very widespread as I could easily have found myself taking care of a breakfast place by a moderately busy highway in Southern India.
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bovermyer超过 4 年前
Someday I hope to own my own little pub, free and clear, and just do that for the rest of my life. It wouldn&#x27;t be stress-free, but I enjoyed my time working in a bar, and I like the idea of operating a little community hub.
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Axsuul超过 4 年前
The kicker is at the end. Should future generations be obligated to continue the family business even if they resent it?
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NikolaeVarius超过 4 年前
I heard a story about some restaurant or hotel where a owner apologized for not providing the authentic experience because the original shop burned down like 600 years ago
Valkhyr超过 4 年前
&gt; The Japanese companies that have endured the longest have often been defined by an aversion to risk — shaped in part by past crises — and an accumulation of large cash reserves.<p>&gt; It is a common trait among Japanese enterprises and part of the reason that the country has so far avoided the high bankruptcy rates of the United States during the pandemic.<p>I live in Japan (I&#x27;m not Japanese).<p>From experience, the first paragraph above rings true for many, especially smaller&#x2F;family-run, businesses.<p>But jumping to the conclusion in the second paragraph is a stretch. By making such a facile and generalized statement and leaving it at that, the article ignores that the Japanese government&#x27;s measures since the pandemic started have in many ways prioritized economic health over individual health, and that is one reason why business in general has not been as hard hit here.<p>For instance, Japan actually instituted &quot;Go To Travel&quot; and &quot;Go To Eat&quot; campaigns to stimulate the economy during the pandemic. Criminally irresponsible in my view.<p>Japanese pandemic response has also largely been ignoring the reality of aerosol transmission, evidenced by issuing compliance certifications (basically a sticker businesses can put on their door) even to businesses that promote indoor eating and other activities where safety from aerosol transmission cannot be maintained.<p>In fact, even if the Japanese government wanted to take stronger measures, my understanding is that legally they can&#x27;t - so there has <i>never been a mandatory lockdown</i> here. All we had was a <i>voluntary lockdown</i> around April.<p>To put it bluntly, Japanese businesses are largely doing well because all cessation of economic activity so far has been <i>completely voluntary</i>, while the government has taken steps that do more to play down the pandemic threat.<p>Conversely, the main reason that the Japanese people are so far doing relatively better than say the US (in spite of the government&#x27;s best attempts to fail at pandemic policy), seems to be that nearly everybody wears a mask whenever possible. Coupled with a few other social factors such as less talking in public spaces and less physical contact especially between strangers.
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nikk1超过 4 年前
Related, recent article:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;worklife&#x2F;article&#x2F;20200211-why-are-so-many-old-companies-in-japan" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;worklife&#x2F;article&#x2F;20200211-why-are-so-man...</a>
flobosg超过 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_oldest_companies" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_oldest_companies</a>
gravelc超过 4 年前
I bought some great carbon steel knives from a little 1-man shop called Shigeharu in Kyoto a few years back. Supposedly dates from pre-1390. Feels like owning a piece of history. Was very much wondering what would happen to the shop in the future as the owner&#x2F;knife-maker was quite elderly.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;openkyoto.com&#x2F;real-kyoto-knives-aritsugu-knives&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;openkyoto.com&#x2F;real-kyoto-knives-aritsugu-knives&#x2F;</a>
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cr1895超过 4 年前
The article lacked any detail on the “honor system” that sustained it for centuries in place of the fixed prices charged post-WWII. What does that mean...pay-what-you-like?
waffl超过 4 年前
In Regensburg, Germany, there is a restaurant that has essentially been operating for 850 years since the construction of the Steinernen (Stone) bridge was constructed in 1146 AD, and in its precise&#x2F;current form as a sausage restaurant since 1806. It&#x27;s really incredible to see the longevity of a simple business like this and be able to eat where entirely different generations ate for almost a millennium (Plus the food is honestly remarkably good if you eat meat). There are only three things on the menu: sausage, sauerkraut and potato soup and together they make a very nice meal :)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Regensburg_Sausage_Kitchen" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Regensburg_Sausage_Kitchen</a>
5440超过 4 年前
Please go to Fugetsu-do mochi, if you are ever in LA. They are 117 yrs&#x2F;old and follow this Japanese tradition. They need business during COVID. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fugetsu-do.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fugetsu-do.com&#x2F;</a>
mxcrossb超过 4 年前
&gt; The Japanese companies that have endured the longest have often been defined by an aversion to risk — shaped in part by past crises — and an accumulation of large cash reserves.<p>&gt; It is a common trait among Japanese enterprises and part of the reason that the country has so far avoided the high bankruptcy rates of the United States during the pandemic. Even when they “make some profits,” said Tomohiro Ota, an analyst at Goldman Sachs, “they do not increase their capital expenditure.”<p>I found this part very interesting; it seems like Japan’s monetary policy would present a huge disincentive to this.
neonate超过 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2JZ14" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2JZ14</a>
shagie超过 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.visualcapitalist.com&#x2F;oldest-companies&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.visualcapitalist.com&#x2F;oldest-companies&#x2F;</a> is also rather interesting to look at. The oldest one in Japan:<p>&gt; The Japanese temple and shrine construction company, Kongō Gumi Co., Ltd. (founded in 578) has weathered a few storms over the millennia, from nuclear bombs to financial crises. In 2006, it was bought by the construction conglomerate, Takamatsu Construction Group Co., and continues to operate today.
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feralimal超过 4 年前
&quot;(Some of the oldest companies, including Ichiwa, cannot definitively trace their history back to their founding, but their timelines are accepted by the government, scholars and — in Ichiwa’s case — the competing mochi shop across the street.)&quot;<p>Skeptic that I am, I wanted to see the proof. There isn&#x27;t any - its just a claim. Its just a sweet story.<p>In fact, I suspect that this is some sort of tourism puff piece, PR of some sort, perhaps by the Japanese tourism board to drum up enthusiasm. Maybe they are planting seeds for when the lockdowns are over.
Michael_Sieb超过 4 年前
I don&#x27;t think any tech companies will ever survive that long.
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veridies超过 4 年前
Related to this: I&#x27;ve tried to figure out what the oldest surviving organization in the world is (specifically something with some form of rules or decision-making process that has been formally kept and amended over time instead of being replaced by a new code of rules). Best I could do is the Roman Catholic Church, but I feel like my search terms might be missing something.
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q-base超过 4 年前
Partially inspired by Francis Fukuyama&#x27;s &quot;The Origins of Political Order&quot; and this article, I really want to read more about the Japanese culture that keeps these shops alive for so long.<p>Does anyone have good recommendations for books on Japanese culture that I could put on my wish list for Christmas?
Shared404超过 4 年前
&gt; For Ichiwa, that means doing one thing and doing it well — a very Japanese approach to business.<p>This stood out to me. There&#x27;s a reason UNIX-like design has stuck around.
err4nt超过 4 年前
Really makes you wonder which businesses (and indeed which industries) will exist 1000 years from today!<p>Very inspiring, thanks for sharing.
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raymondrussell超过 4 年前
This is something <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;MagicRealismBot" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;MagicRealismBot</a> would say.
m3kw9超过 4 年前
Anyone tried it?
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Sophistifunk超过 4 年前
This reads like some &quot;noble savage&quot; rubbish about how the Japanese are better than us evil capitalists, but how exactly does one maintain a business in a steady-state for 1000 years when the neighbourhood around you gets gentrified, or the zoning changes, or your city made pension promises it can&#x27;t keep for council employees so your land tax doubles every 5 years?
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