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How much I made as a good Engineer at Facebook

76 点作者 i0exception超过 4 年前

17 条评论

dave_sullivan超过 4 年前
You get this guy, then you make the mistake of looking for projects on angel list and find half the people posting think they can hire engineers for 0 cash. I’ve been told my whole career that I don’t charge enough and yet I have to look hard to find people that pay my rate. Then I check HN to find what an underpaid loser I am. Coffee break over, back to the mines I guess.
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cosmodisk超过 4 年前
It was hard to read this... You'd need to write code that produces unicorn pastries to be able to go anywhere near such numbers here in Europe.. But the saddest thing about most dev jobs is that even the outcome can literally make companies millions/billions, the devs are rarely awarded for it. Take sales,for instance. You sell a few million worth of licencing and you get a nice comp.. As a dev, you write code that speeds up a process by 20%, the company increases profit margins and you get..well, a trip to a conference, if you are lucky.. Citadel is a good example,where even devs can earn substantial amounts off successful trading strategies,but then it's still a US company with only a handful of people working for them.
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traskjd超过 4 年前
But.... you have to work at Facebook.
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_0o6v超过 4 年前
There is not a single engineering job in the UK that pays $1m per year. There are barely any engineering jobs that pay £100k+ a year.
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newbie578超过 4 年前
Holy crap, when you compare the numbers, how can people still expect Europe to compete with the U.S.? In Europe, tech is seen as an unfortunate necessity, not a groundbreaking solution.. And things won’t change until the mentality changes.
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gnrlst超过 4 年前
Cries in European.
wruza超过 4 年前
Interesting how quickly this thread disappeared from first <i>four</i> pages of HN. Is it a hot topic not worth its discussion?
spoonjim超过 4 年前
Holy crap. Never knew the numbers were like this.
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zuhayeer超过 4 年前
You can view more compensation ranges by level at Facebook here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.levels.fyi&#x2F;company&#x2F;Facebook&#x2F;salaries&#x2F;Software-Engineer&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.levels.fyi&#x2F;company&#x2F;Facebook&#x2F;salaries&#x2F;Software-En...</a><p>The highest level (E8) with recorded information: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.levels.fyi&#x2F;company&#x2F;Facebook&#x2F;salaries&#x2F;Software-Engineer&#x2F;E8&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.levels.fyi&#x2F;company&#x2F;Facebook&#x2F;salaries&#x2F;Software-En...</a>
kilroy123超过 4 年前
You are so ridiculously set if you can earn this much while working remotely in a low cost living area.
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Maro超过 4 年前
Some notes from a former FB engineer (DE, E5, London).<p>First of all, congrats to the author of the post! Even having worked there, seeing these numbers is a bit shocking :)<p>Some comments to help cool down EU emotions in this thread.<p>As the author points out, there are very few engineers at FB who have this sort of career path or income. The author says that from year 2-8, every single year he got an &quot;additional grant&quot; over the refresher stock. I asked a friend who is a former Eng.Man. at FB, he says that these &quot;additional grants&quot; are given to very few people every year by the executive team, so this makes the career path even more of an outlier. He says this level of income is unusual even for E7-E8s. This career path is probably the statistical quivalent of building a successful startup and cashing out.<p>Also, to end up with the these W2 numbers (W2 is a tax form in the US, by W2 the author means &quot;total gross compensation&quot;), you need to join early, to get the nice stock appreciation. Having said that, so far it&#x27;s never been the wrong time to join: in 2016 when I joined (FB was a 10+ yo company) stock was at ~$100, now it&#x27;s at ~$300 :)<p>How are these numbers in EU offices: in London (in 2016-17), number were significantly lower than in US, both base salary (and hence bonus, since it&#x27;s a multiplier) and stock grants, and also opportunities (products) and visibility (eg. every 6 months I got my rating from an unknown quorum of people at the Menlo Park HQ, and I had mostly remote managers who didn&#x27;t have much time for me). Expect to make -25-50% if you&#x27;re in London vs Menlo Park for the same work&#x2F;effort. Per my recollection, as an E5 back then, everything added up (base, bonus, stock), my net salary was around 7k GBP&#x2F;mo. If I would have stuck around at FB, without levelups, just because of stock appreciation and refresher stocks I&#x27;d probably be making &gt;10k GBP&#x2F;mo now. SWEs make ~20% more than DEs.<p>Also, to put the author&#x27;s promotion track into perspective, I found that it&#x27;s very hard to get promoted at FB. When I was hired (35 yo, working as a SWE&#x2F;Data&#x2F;Manager since 23), I felt E5 is under-leveling me, so I worked very hard throughout my time there, working weekends, doing SWE projects, etc. While working there, I saw how strong the talent pool is at FB, and how steep the expectations are (wrt measurable and consistent impact of your work), so I knew that I&#x27;m definitely not at an E7 or above, but I did feel that I&#x27;m an &quot;entry E6 level&quot; (which is significantly more money than E5). But getting leveled up was out of the question, there were simply no opportunities, either work or visibility for DEs in London at that time. So I left after ~20 months. In retrospect, the right thing to do psychologically, assuming you stay for the long-run, is just ignore the levels, collect the refresher stocks, hope&#x2F;wait for the stock to appreciate, make&#x2F;look for&#x2F;wait for impactful projects, but take the long view (it&#x27;s a marathon, not a sprint).<p>Overall, my advice for EU people: if you get a chance to interview at a FAANG, take it, it&#x27;s a good experience! If you get an offer, take it, you&#x27;ll come out ahead wrt learning, money, and you&#x27;ll have a big stamp of approval on your CV. If you don&#x27;t like it, you can always leave and it&#x27;ll be easy for you to get another job.
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phendrenad2超过 4 年前
And if you&#x27;re unlucky enough to be in the bottom 50% of programmers that can&#x27;t make it through the Facebook interviews, you can at least make 1&#x2F;3 as much.
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siscia超过 4 年前
What is a &quot;product&quot; in this context?
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kartoolOz超过 4 年前
Posts like this make me want to sell my soul to the devil O.O
dcl超过 4 年前
Astonishing.
martamorena9182超过 4 年前
&gt; Year 1 was learn to become a good engineer, &gt; Year 2 was learn become a good Tech Lead<p>This made me laugh... One year to become a good engineer and another to become a tech lead. Seriously? Facebook seems like an interesting place to be. Maybe I should also apply there.<p>But on a more serious note. There is no way, no matter how smart you are, to become a Tech Lead (at least not at a reputable company) within two years. It&#x27;s just mentally not possible to learn all the things you need to learn in that time. And that is not even considering the fact that most of the time you don&#x27;t have such ideal conditions that you would be exposed to the necessary scenarios and learning opportunities to pull that off even if it was humanly possible. Perhaps Facebook&#x27;s levels are more based on &quot;business achievements&quot; than actual competence, which is fine I guess. If I make the company 10 million dollars, why should I not get a good chunk of it, regardless of how experienced I am? (I am serious)<p>But the fact that E8 is still about &quot;team of 4&quot; tells me a lot. Principal Engineers at Amazon are responsible for potentially hundreds of engineers and that level is said to be about E7. Doesn&#x27;t make any sense whatsoever.<p>And the author shows that:<p>&quot;E6-&gt;E7 and E7-&gt;E8 promotions were mainly about making something successful. My execution could have been perfect but if the product didn’t work, I would not have been promoted.&quot;<p>Yup, pure business success based promotions, which makes any level based comparison between Facebook and Amazon kinda moot.<p>I would be interested to know if this is just one data point, or if this is how Facebook generally operates.
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alibarber超过 4 年前
So good that they made a three quarters of a billion dollars in year 5.<p>(I know I know it&#x27;s a typo but it&#x27;s hard to take any of this seriously when the whole page is about how he or she is such an excellent engineer)