A container ship lost a record 1,800 containers

274 点作者 sdan超过 4 年前

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wolfgang42超过 4 年前

I’ve heard from some people involved in the shipping industry that (based on the size of the incident) this ship is probably going to declare General Average, which is a sort of weird concept that AFAIK doesn’t really have a parallel on land. It’s basically, “we’ve lost an awful lot of cargo—everyone who had stuff on board, chip in to pay for what got lost.” From what I understand, the idea is that you don’t want to waste time in an emergency trying to figure out which cargo is OK to jettison, so the shippers whose stuff arrived safely pay the ones who didn’t for their sacrifice, but I imagine it can be quite the surprise bill.

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howlgarnish超过 4 年前

Random thoughts:- I'm somewhat astonished that a ship of this size can hit a storm this size and limp back to port despite losing 1,800 containers.- 1,800 containers floating around in the ocean is going to be a major shipping hazard until they sink, which may take a while if the goods packed within are buoyant (eg. anything packed in styrofoam).- A friend used to work in the transshipping biz, and she said this kind of thing is why you buy insurance: odds are 99.99%+ your container will come through entirely unscathed, but if you hit the negative jackpot, everything will be completely gone. In 2013, the sinking of the MOL Comfort also meant the loss of 4,300 containers. <a href="https://gcaptain.com/mol-comfort-incident-photos/" rel="nofollow">https://gcaptain.com/mol-comfort-incident-photos/</a>

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ijidak超过 4 年前

A friend of mine is doing a mostly self-funded startup (chalkboardmap.com) and has cargo on this ship.It really sucks.It's their first shipment after doing a Kickstarter. They have 1,000 maps on the ship and they're not sure if the maps are in the water or not.When I heard the story, I couldn't even believe it happened.Like, who thinks... "well I hope my container doesn't fall into the ocean"?What are the odds?But now, seeing this article, I realize the case really is extraordinary.

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DavidPeiffer超过 4 年前

Something that surprised me is that companies are under no obligation to disclose loss of cargo unless it contains dangerous or hazardous goods. [1] I'm sure the fact that they estimate 64 to be Dangerous Goods, and the general magnitude of the number of containers lost has led to this website being setup. Apparently ~1/100,000 containers are lost at sea, which is higher than I might have guessed.Also, I found the short podcast series Containers [2] to be an interesting introduction to shipments by sea.[1] <a href="https://www.eurosender.com/blog/en/lost-sea-shipping-containers/" rel="nofollow">https://www.eurosender.com/blog/en/lost-sea-shipping-contain...</a>[2] <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/show/containers" rel="nofollow">https://www.stitcher.com/show/containers</a>

JoeAltmaier超过 4 年前

Container ships (and standardized containers) are a major reason for the standard of living in our modern society. The volumes are so huge, that the cost per package to ship halfway around the world is relatively small.The downside is, accidents can be of startling proportions.

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DenverCode超过 4 年前

The page states that the winds were at BF 4 (13-18 MPH) and waves were 5-6 meters (16-20 feet) during the incident.One Apus measures out at 364 meters.I spent four years at sea and 5-6 meters with BF4 winds, isn't THAT bad- especially for a ship that size. Am I missing something here?

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Waterluvian超过 4 年前

My smartass reaction was "I wonder if that's where my PS5 is."But this got me thinking: it would be very interesting to get a listing of everything lost. Even as just a one-off case study. What does it look like to lose a container ship worth or cargo?

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_JamesA_超过 4 年前

How big of a problem is 1800+ containers lost in what I assume is a major shipping route?The first thing that came to mind is the movie All Is Lost (2013)[1].[1]: <a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2017038/" rel="nofollow">https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2017038/</a>

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cableshaft超过 4 年前

I know there was at least a couple of Kickstarter board games for Asmadi Games on there. They said this in the updates for the Good Puppers Kickstarter:"...The ship, weather-battered (severe storm/gale-force winds is the actual cause of the above mess) and generally displeased with 2020's Bad Plan, is turning around to hit the closest major port (Japan) to assess damage. With 15-25% of its goods changed to bads, we might be lucky or we might not be, but we won't know for a couple weeks at best. In the meantime, our factory is going to try and rush out a fresh print run of the game shipped to us as soon as possible. I shall, of course, share more details as I know them!"<a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/asmadigames/all-the-goodest-puppers/posts/3040615" rel="nofollow">https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/asmadigames/all-the-goo...</a>

Tepix超过 4 年前

The sailing catamaran TS5 Hallucine hit a "UFO" (unidentified floating object) and sunk in November this year. One crewmember died. <a href="https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f158/ts5-hallucine-capsizes-off-spain-hit-ufo-242326.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f158/ts5-hallucine-caps...</a>During this year's Vendée Globe non-stop single-handed around the world sailing regatta, three boats (of 33) had collisions with UFOs and had to abandon the race in the first 4 weeks.

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prawn超过 4 年前

Interesting that they'd voluntarily raise this in their own published FAQ. Seems unusual for a PR site: "Are there any problems with the hull structure of this vessel type? We know the same type of vessel also experienced container loss recently."

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112012123超过 4 年前

Wow - that's a remarkably large number of containers. If my math is right, just about 25% of a full load on this ship.Half-submerged containers can be pretty insidious navigation hazards. Hopefully nobody ends up hitting them before they sink.

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Bluecobra超过 4 年前

I was surprised to find that between 2,000 to 10,000 containers are lost each year. Seems like with the design on these you’re just asking for trouble.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_ship" rel="nofollow">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_ship</a>

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ogre_codes超过 4 年前

I'm just trying to imagine what being in this ship must have been line when this thing collapsed. It must have been insane for quite some time. The initial collapse, then likely for some time after the sound and tremors as the unstable mass of containers continued to settle and slide off the deck. What a crazy life.

blondie9x超过 4 年前

Can the hazardous containers ever be recovered? Should we be taking extra care when transporting hazardous cargo? Like positioning in a different part of boat or limiting overall cargo amount that can be transported when moving hazardous chemicals that can damage ecosystems and food sources?

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gregimba超过 4 年前

> 64 are believed to be Dangerous Goods containersI'm curious what these actually contain?<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_goods" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_goods</a>

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ksec超过 4 年前

My question is, with Modern Technology, Satellite imagery and Weather forecast, how far are we from completely removing the risk of containers ship hitting a storm and lost containers?While someone has pointed out It's 99.99875% reliability in a yearly basis. 10K Containers lost per year is still a staggering amount. Or more like 6 - 10 incidents like this per year.We cant make ship travel any faster due to law of physics. Surely we could make it travel safer?

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dgrin91超过 4 年前

I wonder why they are calling this a record number of containers lost. Did some quick googling and that doesn't seem to be true at all. The current record holder is the [MOL Comfort](<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOL_Comfort#Shipwreck" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOL_Comfort#Shipwreck</a>) which lost its full compliment of 4.3k containers.

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m4rtink超过 4 年前

So I had a bunch of books shipped from Japan to Europe by surface mail, so quite possibly in a container on a ship like this. The package is still in transit so news like this makes me a bit weary.Luckily the ship in question had sailed from China to the USA, so it most likely does not have my package. Still, best of luck to others with package in transfer by seamail! :)

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ggop超过 4 年前

Do containers have long life GPS trackers so we can track them in situations like this?

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mckirk超过 4 年前

I suppose we can be glad that at least the front didn't fall off.

supernova87a超过 4 年前

What's more scary is the half-submerged invisible containers floating around, waiting to hit some unsuspecting sailboat in the middle of the night.

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helsinkiandrew超过 4 年前

Good article about dangers (or not) of shipping containers to yachting and some of the solutions:<a href="https://www.yachtingworld.com/news/could-a-floating-shipping-container-sink-your-yacht-is-the-danger-to-sailors-real-or-imagined-107508" rel="nofollow">https://www.yachtingworld.com/news/could-a-floating-shipping...</a>

mbrd超过 4 年前

I just saw last night that one of the plastic modeling/hobby shop owners I follow on YouTube had a container on board: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAR7UZ_6L3o" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAR7UZ_6L3o</a>

callamdelaney超过 4 年前

As a note these ships can carry up to 14,000[1] (!) 20ft containers.[1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird-class_container_ship" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird-class_container_ship</a>

markdown超过 4 年前

I guess that's how we get to see videos like this one: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ983bvP5YU" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ983bvP5YU</a>

npiit超过 4 年前

That's what happens when you don't use a container orchestrator.

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mobilemidget超过 4 年前

How many containers were on board in total? Cannot seem to find that in article or in comments here on HN?After reading this title I was more suspected to think the whole boat sunk.

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sabujp超过 4 年前

it seems you'd want your container near the bottom of the stack and closest to the bridge (near the midline of the ship). They should charge different amounts for container placement. If your container is at the top corners near the bow of the ship you should have to pay the least amount for insurance/shipping since you're taking the most risk.

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waqas-超过 4 年前

never using docker again...

saargrin超过 4 年前

shoulda used docker-swarm or k8s for fault tolerance