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Agents raid home of fired Florida data scientist who built Covid-19 dashboard

969 点作者 8ig8超过 4 年前

34 条评论

stickyricky超过 4 年前
Over Thanksgiving I shot a gun for the first time. An AR15 and a Glock. The AR was fun to shoot. Kind of nerve-wracking holding a weapon that could kill someone but fun none the less.<p>The Glock was another story. It kicked like crazy and you could really feel the power of each shot in your arms. I didn&#x27;t have any fun shooting it and I was a more than a little terrified I was going to hurt someone. Even when it was empty I had so much unease just setting it down on the table.<p>Seeing those police officers enter someones home with their guns drawn and pointed was... a new feeling. I had an immense sense of dread just knowing how much power was behind those guns. The thought that someone was pointing it at children is just beyond my comprehension now. For what? Allegedly logging into a website?<p>If shes guilty, go to jail, pay the fine, whatever. But the level of escalation to even walk through the front door with your gun drawn. The level of... I don&#x27;t know... disrespect? Hatred? I can&#x27;t even begin to describe to someone who doesn&#x27;t know just how much force and how casually its being shown.<p>Truly, these officers are a disgrace to Florida. The people who trained them are a disgrace. And the people who empower them to behave this way are a disgrace.
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shakna超过 4 年前
&gt; All authorized users use the same user name and password.<p>Well, if you want to prevent unauthorised access to your custom-built messaging system, this is not the way to do it. Proving who accessed it has become a huge forensic investigation at that point.<p>Saying anyone hacked a system with such a clear and simple single-point-of-failure doesn&#x27;t exactly ring true. It might be true on a technical level, but you left the door wide open.
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DoofusOfDeath超过 4 年前
I have to admit that stories like this evoke a really strong, visceral reaction in me.<p>The depiction of police (allegedly) escalating the situation with threat of deadly force, especially with kids present, literally (<i>not</i> figuratively) got my adrenaline going.<p>I&#x27;d be interested in hearing both sides of the story with supporting evidence.
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godelski超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m always amazed at how often cops approach every day tasks with weapons drawn. Reading the article (and being aware of the ongoing story) there&#x27;s no indication (to me) that there would be any hostility facing the officers. Thus it is easy to draw a conclusion of threat escalation from the police towards a citizen (if this is the wrong conclusion to draw then the police need to do a lot more work to justify their actions and explain why they thought there was a threat, because right now no one should buy that). This is unacceptable gun behavior in any environment and goes against conventional training (I&#x27;m sure there are gun users here or people who at least shot in the boy scouts or something). I mean officer #2 even appears to have his finger on the trigger (officer #1 doesn&#x27;t). There&#x27;s a rule &quot;never point a weapon at something you do not intend to destroy.&quot; Pointing a weapon at a person indicates they are willing to destroy (kill) that person. This is unacceptable in non-violent cases where there is not an equal force against them. I just can&#x27;t imagine the training they get. It makes me feel like Surviving Edged Weapons[0] is, at least in spirit, used. [1]<p>I&#x27;ve seen a lot of people with bad trigger control and not knowing proper gun safety, but I&#x27;ve seen it far too often from police. The acceptable level of this for police is zero and it isn&#x27;t even close to that.<p>[0] This is a cult classic for &quot;Bad&quot; movies: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=c4ZpyKSmgdE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=c4ZpyKSmgdE</a><p>[1] From what I&#x27;ve seen, it does still seem like they do similar training that is highly fear based. As in &quot;you could die at any second. It is you or them&quot; and does not reflect the reality that being a cop is relatively safe. At least that narrative is not in the public domain. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2020-06-23&#x2F;how-dangerous-is-police-work" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2020-06-23&#x2F;how-da...</a>
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ogre_codes超过 4 年前
Lots of people jumping to conclusions one way or the other here, but keep in mind a few things.<p>#1 The police had a warrant. That means they had to have a certain amount of evidence to present to a judge. &quot;She is a disgruntled former employee with an axe to grind&quot; is probably not enough to get a warrant. Server logs with an IP address would hold up in court.<p>#2 Pointing guns at clearly non-aggressive people and particularly kids is bullshit in general. The PD says she hung up on them and knocked on the door for 20 minutes. Maybe BS cover up, but if true, might explain the seemingly over-aggressive entry.<p>Not jumping to conclusions, but sometimes decent people do stupid things.
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implying超过 4 年前
I just donated to her org, and you should too. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;floridacovidaction.com&#x2F;donate&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;floridacovidaction.com&#x2F;donate&#x2F;</a>
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cwkoss超过 4 年前
In a just world, these cops would get a 10 year prison term for this. They had no reason to aim their guns at these citizens, especially children.
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dehrmann超过 4 年前
Media outlets...<p>&quot;Agents raid home of fired Florida data scientist who built COVID-19 dashboard&quot;<p>That implies it was raided because she was working on the dashboard, but it was raided because she allegedly accessed an emergency messaging system she should have no longer had access to.<p>That headline primes you to be outraged.<p>Could this have been revenge from the agency for what happened earlier this year? Maybe, but the article doesn&#x27;t actually suggest that, and there&#x27;s no evidence of it.
xfitm3超过 4 年前
Not addressing claims of her data accuracy she &lt;strike&gt;did break&lt;&#x2F;strike&gt; apparently broke CFAA:<p>&gt; &quot;FDLE began an investigation November 10, 2020, after receiving a complaint from the Department of Health (DOH) regarding unauthorized access to a Department of Health messaging system which is part of an emergency alert system, to be used for emergencies only,&quot; Plessinger said.
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mellosouls超过 4 年前
Background to this discussed earlier in the year fwiw:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23231237" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23231237</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23236613" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23236613</a>
qwertox超过 4 年前
I wish that people with this mindset could be denied entry to Europe even for vacationing.<p>They are aware of the context, they know that they are entering a house where also a husband and two children are living. What makes them believe that they pose any kind of threat?<p>I&#x27;m not expecting them to ask for a coffee and discuss the matter and further proceedings at the table, but threatening everybody with a firearm like that?
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JPKab超过 4 年前
As I recall, she first became famous claiming that the dashboard was deceptive and hiding cases and deaths.<p>That turned out to not be true, at all. It was just a very convenient story for journalists who, weirdly, have been obsessed with highlighting deaths in states run by Republicans, and simultaneously ignoring the same in blue states due to their narrative bias.<p>Illinois has been practically ignored because of this bias, despite very bad numbers in the latest spike, while when Georgia first relaxed it&#x27;s lockdowns in May, articles were published calling it &quot;an experiment in human sacrifice&quot;. (Didn&#x27;t see a surge in cases afterwards, since most Georgians are sane and just kept wearing masks while going places)<p>While I always am against excessive police force, I also am fed up with journalists trying to dramatize things, and add credibility when it&#x27;s not needed to any cause celebre. A person who builds dashboards isn&#x27;t a data scientist BTW.<p>Edit:<p>I&#x27;m fully aware I&#x27;ll be downvoted to oblivion for this post, but this person is a COVID alarmist, has pushed for excessive caution, and claims credentials and skills she doesn&#x27;t have. I particularly resent her pushing for keeping elementary schools closed despite all of Europe and the vast majority of peer reviewed scientific literature saying otherwise. She&#x27;s marketed herself as a renegade scientist all year, and dramatized all of it to great effect.<p>Second Edit:<p>Here she is in spring making the claim on Rachel Maddow that Florida was &quot;hiding&quot; hospitalization data. Absolutely untrue, and would have required conspiracy by public and private medical orgs: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Csvzt6kGzHw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Csvzt6kGzHw</a><p>Neutral media outlets wouldn&#x27;t touch the story.
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sanj超过 4 年前
“ All authorized users use the same user name and password.”
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thinkloop超过 4 年前
&gt; &quot;complaint from the Department of Health (DOH) regarding unauthorized access to a Department of Health messaging system which is part of an emergency alert system, to be used for emergencies only&quot;<p>&gt; &quot;Ms. Jones refused to come to the door for 20 minutes and hung-up on agents. After several attempts and verbal notifications that law enforcement officers were there to serve a legal search warrant, Ms. Jones eventually came to the door and allowed agents to enter,&quot;
mixologic超过 4 年前
I sure hope she can get some good legal help. Thats probably the best way to fight this kind of corruption.
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jgalt212超过 4 年前
My laptop was not able to keep up with all the adtech running on this website.
rambojazz超过 4 年前
Has anybody verified the original story where she says that she refused to manipulate data? Is that true? I&#x27;m not from the US and I don&#x27;t know if &quot;floridatoday.com&quot; is a trusted source.
crnkofe超过 4 年前
This must be one of the weirdest arrests I&#x27;ve seen. I would understand officers busting in guns drawn if they considered denizens dangerous. I would understand an arrest without guns drawn. But casually walking in with a gun (in case there&#x27;s something to kill) makes this look like a psycho checking in.<p>From my non-US perspective all these gun first arrests look crazy, especially for handling car speeding or non-violent offenders.
Kye超过 4 年前
The thread where she tweeted about it if you want to go straight to the source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;GeoRebekah&#x2F;status&#x2F;1336065787900145665" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;GeoRebekah&#x2F;status&#x2F;1336065787900145665</a>
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ab_testing超过 4 年前
Warrant<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.miamiherald.com&#x2F;latest-news&#x2F;article247682356.ece&#x2F;BINARY&#x2F;FDLE%20search%20warrant%20affidavit.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.miamiherald.com&#x2F;latest-news&#x2F;article247682356.ece...</a>
mieses超过 4 年前
There is another thread discussing the benefits of government licensing the title &quot;data scientist&quot; while in this thread we complain about the government persecuting a data scientist for apparently political reasons.
_def超过 4 年前
Ahh, the land of the free!
chris_wot超过 4 年前
&quot;All authorized users use the same user name and password.&quot;<p>Oh, well done.
indigodaddy超过 4 年前
She says she has backups of the website data and files, but I wonder if she has backups of the evidence of state corruption that she said was also on her computer?
hzzap超过 4 年前
Land of the free? The US a has created its own reality and complicity enables it to persist. It made its bed, now lie in it or do something and stop whining.
arendtio超过 4 年前
Actually, now I wonder how big the difference between the official and her numbers is. I looks like someone really want to silence her.
beepboopbeep超过 4 年前
They drew guns on her and her kids.<p>I&#x27;d say we should be outraged, but we&#x27;re awash in outrage because the rule of law has become a one sided bludgeoning instrument for the government to suppress dissent.<p>I can&#x27;t wait to get out of here. To hell with this place any more.
consultSKI超过 4 年前
#sad
angry_octet超过 4 年前
Defund the police.
eznzt超过 4 年前
What if this is false? Like, everybody here is quick to believe that someone raided a home and pointed guns at the faces of children. What if it is a lie? How do we know it&#x27;s not beyond &quot;oh yes it&#x27;s the US so it makes sense&quot;
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purrplexed超过 4 年前
It is a shame that Florida exists as a state.
every超过 4 年前
You made The Gov look bad? Then yeah, you gonna get The Treatment. What did you expect?
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olliej超过 4 年前
Note that none of them were armed, she was cooperating, and the police came in with their guns drawn and pointed them at children.<p>This is why police should be unarmed. They can&#x27;t be trusted if they have guns on hand.<p>I hope she sues those officers.
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geocrasher超过 4 年前
Somebody fired from a job over a grievance <i>allegedly</i> used unauthorized access and is surprised the FBI showed up at her door? I don&#x27;t understand.<p>And in case anyone thinks I&#x27;m trolling, I&#x27;m not. Dead serious.<p>Edit: I said FBI, I was wrong about that- but still- if she&#x27;s accusing of unauthorized access, isn&#x27;t such a raid par for the course? added <i>allegedly</i> above.
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