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Ask HN: Have the Humanities Failed Society?

4 点作者 J0_k3r超过 4 年前
No real classics in the last 40 years, students aren&#x27;t majoring in HASS at all anymore.<p>At a high level HASS is more non-penetrable than any hard science where you can plug numbers in and test whether or not the equations they give you actually work.<p>Universities are now job training institutions where people go for credentials and get out, nothing more.<p>The students there don&#x27;t join any of the extracurriculars or sports teams, they just get their STEM degrees and get out.<p>So HN, have the humanities and university system failed society?

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AnimalMuppet超过 4 年前
&gt; No real classics in the last 40 years<p>What&#x27;s your definition of a classic? 40 years is a bit soon to tell if something is a classic, in my view. You need it to stand the test of multiple generations.<p>&gt; students aren&#x27;t majoring in HASS at all anymore.<p>Some are. Some aren&#x27;t. In the past, some were, and some weren&#x27;t. So... not much change.<p>&gt; At a high level HASS is more non-penetrable than any hard science where you can plug numbers in and test whether or not the equations they give you actually work.<p>Yeah, that&#x27;s because HASS <i>isn&#x27;t</i> hard science, so it doesn&#x27;t work like hard science. If you expect it to, that&#x27;s your fault, not HASS&#x27;s.<p>&gt; Universities are now job training institutions where people go for credentials and get out, nothing more.<p>Some do. Some don&#x27;t. Perhaps more do than used to.<p>&gt; The students there don&#x27;t join any of the extracurriculars or sports teams, they just get their STEM degrees and get out.<p>Some do. Some don&#x27;t. Same as before.<p>&gt; So HN, have the humanities and university system failed society?<p>You really sound like you came here with your own view (and an axe to grind), and you want HN to endorse it.<p>The humanities have in fact failed society, but not at all in the way you describe. People not going to extracurriculars has <i>nothing</i> to do with whether the humanities have failed society. (Extracurriculars aren&#x27;t the humanities, and college students aren&#x27;t society.)<p>First, the humanities have failed society by being hijacked. All the various flavors of Critical Theory have hijacked the humanities. They largely aren&#x27;t the humanities any more; they&#x27;re cheerleaders (and indoctrinators) for a particular narrow subset of views. They should be thinking and teaching much more broadly than that.<p>Second, the humanities seemingly forgot how to speak to the broader society, or else forgot the value of doing so. They speak (so far as I have seen) to each other, and to humanities students, but they speak little to the broader society. (Though it could be that, when they do so, I don&#x27;t recognize it as &quot;humanities&quot;, which would mean that they are in fact doing it well rather than badly...)
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kleer001超过 4 年前
AFAIK the corrosive factor is the application of the primacy of group identity first and abandonment of science. Embracing stories and feelings while ignoring reproducible findings and falsifiable hypothesis.
cblconfederate超过 4 年前
This discussion has been going on since the 90s.<p>Normally, the humanities are supposed to be able to answer such questions.
afarrell超过 4 年前
I don&#x27;t think any individual on this forum has enough information to answer this question without generalising from a sample size that is too small.<p>&gt; The students there don&#x27;t join any of the extracurriculars or sports teams<p>Really? Is this a broad trend? I thought this was is an acute 2020 symptom of epidemiology and epistemology.
theandrewbailey超过 4 年前
New fields in humanities usually come in the form of &quot;studies&quot; majors, which have low applicative and monetary value compared to STEM fields.
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giantg2超过 4 年前
How could they fail society? They have no formal expectations and it seems they are meeting what informal ones currently exist.<p>Not to mention they are comprised of society - is society failing itself a better question. I think in some ways we are failing, but identifying the true root causes will be difficult.