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How to kill the university

35 点作者 caminocorner超过 4 年前

15 条评论

zarkov99超过 4 年前
Oh, it is easy, the US is trying it right now. Inflate the administration body, filling the University with a majority of career bureaucrats who contribute nothing to research, teaching or learning. Then inflate tuitions to unaffordable levels so you can pay for the bureaucrats. Next, drop merit requirements for both students and professors and replace them with identity based selection criteria. Finally, protects students, all of them and at all costs, from any idea that <i>any</i> of them might find unsettling.
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awillen超过 4 年前
We all know how valuable network effects are in staving off competition, and universities are an excellent example of that. If you don&#x27;t like dem apples, you can get a great education at the library and online for free, but education isn&#x27;t the only (and possibly not even the primary) benefit of the university - it&#x27;s the resources and connections that surround it.<p>The other big thing universities have going for them is status signaling - I went to Stanford, and because of that, my resume will get looked at&#x2F;people will listen when I open my mouth&#x2F;etc. Whether or not that&#x27;s good is a separate question, but it&#x27;s true. If you get an education of equivalent value at a place nobody&#x27;s ever heard of, you don&#x27;t get those benefits. As the number of resumes&#x2F;people speaking&#x2F;etc. goes up, the ability to quickly filter becomes more important, and thus my Stanford degree has more value.
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sn41超过 4 年前
There is one thing that my friend&#x27;s father said to me once, about these analogies between universities and businesses. A typical business lasts in the order of 20-30 years, a couple of generations if lucky. Most famous universities have lasted centuries. And these is the western university system, starting with Bologna, Paris and Oxford after 1000 AD. If you expand the definition of a university slightly broader, you find the famous universities of Sankore, Baghdad, around 800 AD (the syllabus included Aristotle and Euclid), and even before that, Nalanda and Taxila from around 300 BC-1000 AD, and Alexandria from the Egyptian times.<p>A university is a slow moving, lumbering beast. But analyses like these are too shallow to understand why it has lasted so long, and why every place that was once a centre of human civilisation also had a great university.
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musicale超过 4 年前
&gt; The reinvention of the university is inevitable, but a long road stretches ahead<p>Nothing lasts forever, but Oxford and Bologna have been around a while.<p>Perhaps one should ask: how can we create an educational (or other) institution which will last for 1000 years?
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jseliger超过 4 年前
<i>Productive engines as they are, universities are flawed. They’re expensive, inefficient bureaucracies that are often inequitable. I have confidence universities can be disrupted, and new, stronger ideas will take their place in society in due time – the imperfections are too fatal in the long term to brush away. There is no shortage of interesting companies and experimental policies trying to find alternatives to universities as a product. But whatever takes the place of universities will also have to fill the role they currently play to the communities that grow around and beyond it, into the rest of the world. And fortunately to those who manage to reinvent this community engine, with a strong and growing community by your side, building great products become much less risky.</i><p>People also mean tons of different things, some very tenuously related, when they talk about &quot;universities.&quot; Even among students at a given university, goals&#x2F;desires may differ enormously: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jakeseliger.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;27&#x2F;paying-for-the-party-elizabeth-armstrong-and-laura-hamilton" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jakeseliger.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;27&#x2F;paying-for-the-party-eliz...</a>.<p>The &quot;elite&quot; university (which means it has fairly competitive entrance criteria) only consists of a couple hundred schools. They&#x27;ll likely be fine, and they&#x27;re also likely the entrepreneurial hotbeds the author references. It&#x27;s all the other schools where we might see the greatest transformations, particularly in the short and medium terms.<p>Another challenge &quot;the next university&quot; faces is the subsidies the current university system gets right now. Whatever might replace the current system will either need to tap those subsidies itself or be so good that it can compete with the current crop of subsidies.
rossdavidh超过 4 年前
So, it is interesting (from a U.S. perspective, anyway) that such a post does not appear to mention &quot;student loan&quot; even once. There is a saying that &quot;things that cannot go on forever, won&#x27;t&quot;.<p>I think the university (and ancillary) community, whether they say it out loud or not, more or less assumes that the government will pick up the tab when the student loan financial bubble pops. But, while that may in some sense happen, it will bring with it some manner of major change to how universities work, and which ones survive.
zwayhowder超过 4 年前
I work for a university, both as a teacher and as an internal employee, I also studied at the same university. It&#x27;s not unusual for staff to have studied at the uni and many of my professional colleagues guest lecture, though I am the only tutor as far as I know. (Australian uni, so words may have different meanings to American&#x27;s). Prior to joining the uni I was a big4 consultant and general know it all :D<p>Anyway, as a strategy consultant I often ask myself what would we do differently if we were starting higher education from scratch. Every country I&#x27;ve looked at has a slightly different take on tertiary education and my own ideas are clearly biased by the Australian experience.<p>In Australia we usually have to pick our major before we finish high school. There is, as far as I know, nothing comparable to the US 2-4 year degree that is basically a choose your own adventure (I could joke about Arts degrees, but sadly not enough people do them and even then my story below holds true). This puts a lot of pressure on people to pick the &quot;right&quot; degree to support their career goals, often before they know what their career will be. (Heck I&#x27;m almost 40 and still trying to figure it out). However another side effect of this is you end up in an echo chamber of classes with other like minded students studying basically the same things, and you rarely get the wider experience outside of your major.<p>Example: I start a degree in Computer Science, in most of my classes all my peers are also CS students, and while sometimes there will be a few randoms who pick a subject for complimentary skills (Maths students studying programming so they can get better at R; economics students, same reason) these students aren&#x27;t as &#x27;good&#x27; as the CS students so no one wants to group with them, and they don&#x27;t sit in any of the existing cliques.<p>Ultimately this leaves a lot of people with a very limited network of people after uni. The CS majors don&#x27;t have the contacts they need from the Business school or the Law school to be able to find opportunities for new ventures, or to recommend them into other opportunities and vice versa.<p>So I think I&#x27;d start by looking at how we can encourage the development of these communities further. For now I give most of my mentees a copy of <i>Never Eat Alone</i> and hope they read it and take it to heart.
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sleepysysadmin超过 4 年前
Supply vs demand, universities can charge ridiculous tuitions because they are in demand more than ever. Yes the governments have made it so you cannot bankrupt the tuition debt, but it doesn&#x27;t mean you need to take on that debt to beginwith.<p>Will bureaucracy and identity politics kill the universities? No they wont die, they will simply be of lower quality. What makes a university better than another? The quality of the education fundamentally. If they don&#x27;t hire based on merit, the quality of the education drops.<p>Even if they drop to diploma mill quality, they wont die.<p>What will kill universities is if they get replaced. The &quot;community&quot; derives out of quality education. If you went to a university which gives away diplomas to anyone, then opened a business. You wont want to hire from that pool of applicants. Look at Elon Musk&#x27;s hatred of university degrees and especially MBAs.
avs733超过 4 年前
It is worth noting, for context, that Linus post lists &#x27;West Lafayette, IN&#x27; as the location...home to Purdue University, and headed by Mitch Daniels of<p>&#x27;Black Scholars are a rare creature&#x27; [0], Profits over meaningful innovation [1], and War in Iraq will cost $50b [2]<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;education&#x2F;2019&#x2F;12&#x2F;05&#x2F;purdue-president-calls-black-scholar-one-rarest-creatures-america-after-criticism-he-apologized&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;education&#x2F;2019&#x2F;12&#x2F;05&#x2F;purdue-p...</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jconline.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;news&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;2019&#x2F;08&#x2F;29&#x2F;purdue-prof-mitch-daniels-henry-ford-higher-ed-lets-try-again-sen-braun&#x2F;2153739001&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jconline.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;news&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;2019&#x2F;08&#x2F;29&#x2F;purdu...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;george-packer&#x2F;mitch-danielss-iraq-war" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;george-packer&#x2F;mitch-danielss-...</a>
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wbillingsley超过 4 年前
This is a little like asking &quot;how to kill the school&quot;, &quot;how to kill the hospital&quot;, &quot;how to kill the fire brigade&quot;.<p>Universities are defined by national legislation and regulation and are (in most countries) largely government supported, even where there are student fees (underwritten by government-backed loans). Most of those same governments are aware that these institutions are keystone employers in their cities and have very deep links into the economy, to the point that they often co-invest in new campuses.<p>Articles like these tend to get written by computer scientists who think &quot;but people can study from anywhere so surely you can set up a university from your bedroom&quot; who haven&#x27;t looked at the stats and seen that a sizeable proportion of student degrees (education, nursing, medicine, etc) are ones in which the government also regulates the jobs you get afterwards.<p>Private providers have a stigma of being incredibly suspect because of dodgy practices that have been engaged in in the past. Such as offering potential students gifts (e.g. free laptops) to enrol in courses they are not in a position to study so that the provider can collect the government contribution towards student fees. The upshot of which is that if you&#x27;re a university, you get to be &quot;self-accrediting&quot; (for the sake of academic freedom and because practically the government can beat you with a stick any time you do the wrong thing because not only do they control your funding, they also directly appoint several members of your governing council) whereas if you are a private provider, you are at much greater regulatory risk because <i>another</i> private provider could do something dodgy causing new regulations to come in hampering your business.<p>There are certainly many interesting and profitable businesses to run in the higher education space, but if your goal is to &quot;kill the university&quot; you&#x27;re almost certainly doomed before you&#x27;ve started, because you are not playing in a free market; you are playing in the proportion of the market the government of the day chooses to make open to private competition. Political realities are that is never going to be &quot;all of it&quot;.<p>Caveat: posting from an Australian context, but though the mechanisms are different, around the world the situation appears to be similar. Higher education is not run as a free market, has tight regulations, and significant government investment.
thrwaway1412超过 4 年前
Using a throwaway here since every time since every time I&#x27;ve asked this people seem to get really offended at the thought of it...<p>But was my class really the only ones that hated every single moment of their post secondary education? Granted we were a small graduating class, only 15, and it just some back water college, not a university. But our graduating ceremony was cancelled because literally none of us signed up for it. Most of us were just so sick of seeing that campus and everything about it. Even thinking about today makes me feel ill at ease.<p>Just seems as if everyone else I know seems to have some happy moment from those years. Never found anyone else that disliked their time in college and makes me wonder what made it so happy for others, and what was so different for my class specifically for us to hate it so. Only thing I can think of was that ours was the last class to be the last to be run through that specific program, but that&#x27;s the only thing particularly unique about it AFAIK.
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amadeuspagel超过 4 年前
Title should be &quot;How to replace the university&quot;. Worried that this would be a political rant about <i>the other side</i> killing the university, and there are already several such rants in the comments here.
Animats超过 4 年前
He never actually gets to his subject. He stops at the point of maximum return on clickbait.
selfishgene超过 4 年前
Answer: taxpayer-funded online education instead of Wall Street-issued educational debt
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specialist超过 4 年前
CA State Governor Reagan killed public universities in the USA. Death by a thousand cuts. Notable mortal wounds were Prop 13 and COVID-19.<p>Private universities, including the formerly public institutions able to amass sizable endowments, will be fine.