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Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

283 点作者 kmclean超过 4 年前

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nr2x超过 4 年前
I had a few instances of OwnCloud and various NAS setups over the years. Then I had a kid and dumped everything into iCloud when I realized I’d no longer have time to keep it all secure/patched. Time cost of these setups is real.
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cameronperot超过 4 年前
I would suggest Hetzner&#x27;s storage share (their managed Nextcloud hosting) [1]. Their pricing starts at €2.90&#x2F;mo for 100GB of storage, which is significantly cheaper than what is mentioned in the post ($5&#x2F;mo for 25GB).<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hetzner.com&#x2F;storage&#x2F;storage-share" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hetzner.com&#x2F;storage&#x2F;storage-share</a>
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nicbou超过 4 年前
I would strongly advise against nextcloud. I installed it for about 8 months before giving up. I spent too many nights getting it to work properly, and recovering from various failures. I never felt safe putting my data on it.<p>In my opinion, Nextcloud favours quantity over quality, and many of its core features are subpar. Upgrades are messy, and the docker images fail at reproducible builds. The android client is also buggy.
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Daegalus超过 4 年前
I really tried to like Nextcloud. I set it up multiple times. And it was a giant cluttered mess of a UI, things worked poorly, and as much as I want to be ok with a PHP app, I don&#x27;t trust PHP.<p>And its not because I want it to be JS web app or anything like that. Just the core HTML&#x2F;CSS is poorly implemented and just doesn&#x27;t look good.<p>The calendar and addons system just work so poorly. I just cant use it. I just use Seafile for filesharing.<p>I&#x27;ve run my own email before, also a pain in the ass for spam management. I do own my own domain and use ImprovMX.com to forward it to a free Gmail account. So if I ever need move, I can do it quickly and easily by just changing the forward.<p>I&#x27;m not privacy conscious so I don&#x27;t really care to run from Google for that reason, I just am tired of them shutting down and killing services I use often.<p>I just haven&#x27;t hit an email service that matches the spam fighting powers of Google yet. or the UI. Everything else looks so traditional. and I don&#x27;t want to pay $99 for Hey, mostly only do month to month so I can easily cancel and not waste money if I want to stop using it.<p>Anyways, I digress. I just haven&#x27;t found the right combination of tools for me, but Nextcloud was not it. I honestly think its horribly designed. We need an alternative to it, but I know its a huge undertaking to make something like this, so I am not sure it will happen any time soon.
shimonabi超过 4 年前
I use Nextcloud for the calendar, the to-do deck and to access my Samba shares over HTTPS.<p>That said, I would never put anything important on it. I had at least 5 upgrades in the past 2 years result in total failure, with an unrecoverable instance and corrupted DB.
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nfriedly超过 4 年前
Does anybody have a good recommendation for an automated Gmail backup? I am happy using Gmail for now, I just want my own copy of all of my emails that I can search and read - offline if necessary.<p>I tried to use Nextcloud&#x27;s email app to backup my gmail, but after sending it up I realized that it is just an alternate interface to access email on Google&#x27;s server, not a proper backup solution. (It only supports IMAP, not POP3.)<p>If I can&#x27;t find a better solution, I may just set up Thunderbird and put it and POP3 mode, but I&#x27;d really prefer something that could sit on a server and run automatically without me having to touch it.<p>(For what it&#x27;s worth, I ended up keeping my Nextcloud server set up because I found that I really like the notes app. I also have it doing a daily backup of my contacts from my phone and it&#x27;s replaced Dropbox for small file storage. I already had my photos backing up to a Plex instance on the same server, or else I would probably be using the photo backup feature as well. )
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flatiron超过 4 年前
I’m a solo person on google enterprise for $20 a month. It sadly cannot be beat. Unlimited storage (almost 40TB) and email is all I care about and it works pretty much flawlessly (besides this weeks outage). I wouldn’t want to have the hassle of running it myself nor the price of storing all that data. So sadly I remain with google.
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bilal4hmed超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m glad some of yall are mentioning cost. These articles while awesome usually don&#x27;t mention the cost to operate and support such endeavors.<p>I would like to host my own Matrix instance, but I have no idea what the cost would be monthly.
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Brainspackle超过 4 年前
someone please help me understand all the hype about nextcloud. I&#x27;ve tried it and found it to be a bloated mess. Why would I want to run this over several smaller apps that do the job better, just without a fancy (if you could call it that) UI to tie it all together
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acquacow超过 4 年前
Setup nextcloud 2 years ago as part of a FreeNAS install. It runs in a jail and dumps my files to the local, shared filesystem as a result. I also put the nextcloud clients on my phone so that my photos auto-upload to my NAS vs google photos. It&#x27;s been quite nice to be able to just drop files to it, right click, then share someone a link to those files.
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busterarm超过 4 年前
The hardest thing people need to ween themselves off of is email, which I didn&#x27;t see mentioned here at all.<p>Many people don&#x27;t think there are viable Gmail alternatives, but on Drew DeVault&#x27;s recommendation I recently switched myself over to using Migadu[1] and the experience has been fantastic.<p>That said, I am running CalDAV and CardDAV at home on my own hardware, but they do offer a simple version of both that should be usable.<p>[1]:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;migadu.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;migadu.com</a>
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Netcob超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve been using Nextcloud for a few years now, starting with my mail-in-a-box instance. Before that, I played around with owncloud a bit over the years.<p>I&#x27;m now at the point where I&#x27;m trying to find a different solution. I don&#x27;t even use all the web UI stuff, but desktop sync is unusable to me now. It all started a few months ago when the new desktop client version came out, and would always crash when opening that new view. When it was updated on the server side, I started getting signed out every time I shut down one of the computers I&#x27;m using, which gets especially frustrating on the computer where I&#x27;m using two nextcloud accounts, because I have to log in, wait 30s because apparently there are bad logins from my IP (??), grant access, log out, log in with the other account, grant access again, and then do the same dance again on the next computer I start. And ever since I&#x27;ve been using it, I kept getting &quot;undefined states&quot; and weird database errors.<p>It just seems like they don&#x27;t do a lot of testing and focus more on features than stability. Any suggestions for a very stable open source service hosted in linux that does good desktop sync with a windows client?
ArchD超过 4 年前
Nextcloud and owncloud are written in PHP like so are many other web server apps, especially wiki servers.<p>I&#x27;ve always had misgivings about the security of using and running PHP. Does PHP software still tend to be insecure as in the past? Why are there so many web apps (especially wiki servers) written in PHP instead of e.g. Python, Rust or some other language?
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newman314超过 4 年前
Has anyone setup&#x2F;used multi user calendaring and contacts on NextCloud?<p>Currently considering this vs. a few standalone docker instances for calendars&#x2F;contacts for one of my downtime projects over the next few weeks...
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2ion超过 4 年前
Selfhosting is neat until you really start thinking about durability, reliability, quality, integrity. Never self-host important data with at least doubly redundant backups incl. regular offline backups. On that thought, also never have a single authoritative copy without backup online. If all important photos are on Google Photos with no backup, you&#x27;re doing it wrong. If you have important data in Onedrive with the convenient sync enabled from multiple PCs and maybe your phone, it&#x27;s not safe, all these clients have write access. Same for nextcloud.<p>I employ a &quot;spider&quot; system. I use paid online storage like Onedrive, S3, Azureblob or Gdrive, or Fastmail for email and calendar and contacts, but pull all data from their primary hosting location and then disperse it into multiple cloud copies plus local plus distributed local offline (in intervals). All spider copies are encrypted either using GPG or symmetric encryption. I can access all spider target locations with credentials I know by heart or have offline backups of them, and I can also access or know the encryption keys required to access the data itself.<p>I also keep an encrypted emergency copy of my most important data on my phone&#x27;s storage.<p>In such a system, it&#x27;s perfectly fine to use Google storage + Azure storage + S3 and whatnot provider, as long as you have a sound system and encrypt your data. They can deliver important features you cannot deliver yourself at reasonable cost.<p>Nothing is free.<p>Essentially, to safeguard the most important personal data, the exact same methods and knowledge that a system engineer who designs a storage layer as part of business critical infrastructure should be applied.<p>Nextcloud is just too messy and complex. I don&#x27;t want to spent a lot of time managing its lifecycle, testing updates before deploying them to production, etc. I trust accomplished vendors to host production copies of my data as a service, and take responsibility from there. Sure it&#x27;s easy enough to deploy some piece of open source software and update it continuously, but I suppose the work that goes into making it a high-quality service, like testing updates with duplicate data before letting a new software version lose on your important personal data master copies, is something I doubt few people are putting in.
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KingOfCoders超过 4 年前
I use NextCloud for some years now. I hate the syncing which destroyed several files. Another problem is files that need to go together like git source directories e.g NextCloud easily screws that up, my with &quot;lost&quot; the text of her novel if we didn&#x27;t had backups.<p>Their technology is miles behind OneDrive&#x2F;Dropbox and they seam to not care but add features that enable them to attract new customers instead of fixing the core. When you need to use Office products nothing beats OneDrive.
2Gkashmiri超过 4 年前
Can any nextcloud user suggest why to use nextcloud instead of a network drive for a small office where everything is done offline and within LAN ? Mapped network drive is painlessly easy. Open file manager, click any file and you are there. There isnt much for &quot;collaboration&quot; when you can just talk face to face.<p>I really want to use nextcloud for managing files but I could not find a satisfactory answer.<p>Oh, I have a daily file backup meaning I can get any copy of a file from last year so that is covered.
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ajja超过 4 年前
Here are many negative experiences with Nextcloud at the top of the comments, so I&#x27;ll share my 2 cents - I started using Nextcloud when it was ownCloud and generally haven&#x27;t got any issues running a small instance.<p>If my memory serves me well, then at the beginning updates caused a lot of issues, but for past couple of years I&#x27;m pretty confident when doing updates. I update only via web UI when new version becomes available for my instance. Currently running v19 though v20 has been released 2 months ago. That way I believe I avoid some of the bugs when major version is released :).<p>Some negatives aspects that I have encountered, but don&#x27;t see as a big deal -<p>newer Nextcloud versions require newer PHP versions that are not provided by Ubuntu LTS, that means, that I&#x27;m no really benefiting from LTS and I have to upgrade the distribution if I want latest Nextcloud (don&#x27;t want to upgrade PHP separately).<p>and couldn&#x27;t get Talk working reliably, whatever I&#x27;m missing, it feels that documentation could have been better.
homedrive超过 4 年前
shameless ad: looking for a simpler way to host nextcloud? try homedrive[1] :)<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;homedrive.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;homedrive.io</a>
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jbj超过 4 年前
one month ago, I set up nextcloud on a rasperry pi with snap. It required very little work to get going, and most services are pretty decent.<p>The only thing in the pack that I didnt like that much was the document editor, where letters appeared in the wrong order when typing too fast. this could possibly be due to running the ARM version of the backbone.<p>But then there are other ways to edit documents, and the rest of the default tools well done.<p>it is also possible to get different plugins as well as there are many apps on f-droid that integrate nicely
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TheChaplain超过 4 年前
NextCloud is awesome, been running my Calendar, Contacts, files and ToDO on it for the last 3 years without any hiccup.<p>At most I spent 10min&#x2F;month to update to the next version.
mistrial9超过 4 年前
happy nextcloud admin here - sticking with v18 for now since I have no use for office-calendar things. File sharing links and the video chat working just fine, using it for small team meetings and it works well enough. At some later date, I might look at some of the many, many cloud transfer protocols supported under-the-hood (as seen by looking through the installed php source files).
markshepard超过 4 年前
FileCloud Community Edition (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.getfilecloud.com&#x2F;filecloud-community-edition&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.getfilecloud.com&#x2F;filecloud-community-edition&#x2F;</a>) is another viable option for self-hosted file sync and sharing. It runs on top of windows and linux. The installation takes just couple of seconds
docsaintly超过 4 年前
I recommend NethServer or YunoHost which can install nextcloud as a module, along with many other services, and can be easily updated with security patches. Freedombox may become a contender some day too.<p>Its one thing to set it up, and it&#x27;s another thing to keep it running stable and secure.
chkaloon超过 4 年前
&quot;If you choose the cheapest Linode server like I did it doesn&#x27;t come with much&quot;<p>Storage - the biggest issue with rolling your own cloud. For some reason storage cost is usually the killer in these scenarios.
buzzerbetrayed超过 4 年前
The one thing really keeping me from getting off Google is YouTube. For everything else there are good alternatives. But YouTube really is the only viable player in the online video game.
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francis-io超过 4 年前
I set up a public facing nextcloud server on my own domain. The login got hammered within days. I took it down and plan to only bring it up behind a wireguard connection. Lesson learnt.
antman超过 4 年前
Ok I have the nextcloud setup, now how can I backup my iphone gallery? Haven&#x27;t found a frictionless way to do that except icloud.
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mastazi超过 4 年前
Additional note: Nextcloud also comes as part of Mail-in-a-Box (MIAB). If you are using that version of Nextcloud, you need to know the following:<p>1- It uses SQLite, you can&#x27;t change this easily as the same SQLite is also accessed by MIAB to sync contacts and calendar functionality. The Nextcloud devs don&#x27;t recommend SQLite for multi user servers. [1]<p>2- MIAB supports using Nextcloud for managing contacts and calendar but file management is not officially supported so if you want to use that same installation of Nextcloud for storing your files, you won&#x27;t get support from the MIAB devs in relation to any issue related to files storage [2] (in that case you will have to seek help from the Nexcloud community).<p>3- As a result of the 2 points above, for multiuser installations you may want to have a second instance of Nextcloud, backed by Postgres or MariaDB, just for your files storage, while you can keep using the version included in MIAB for contacts and calendar. However, for a single user installation, you would be fine using the version of Nextcloud that comes in MIAB (I have been doing that for a long time and I&#x27;m fine, mine is a single-user system).<p>4- The version of Nextcloud that is included in MIAB by default locks access to the admin interface, this can be unlocked using the provided script [3]<p>5- The automated backups that MIAB creates, will also include all your Nextcloud flies, not just email, calendar and contacts. So if you have a lot of files it&#x27;s a good idea to use the S3 backup functionality instead of the default on-disk backup method (otherwise backups files will soon eat up all your storage). In my case I use the MIAB S3 backups feature, and I save my data in Digitalocean Spaces which is S3-compatible [4]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.nextcloud.com&#x2F;server&#x2F;stable&#x2F;admin_manual&#x2F;configuration_database&#x2F;db_conversion.html?highlight=convert%20sqlite" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.nextcloud.com&#x2F;server&#x2F;stable&#x2F;admin_manual&#x2F;config...</a><p>[2] See par. &quot;What’s inside the box?&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mailinabox.email&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mailinabox.email&#x2F;</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mail-in-a-box&#x2F;mailinabox&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;tools&#x2F;owncloud-unlockadmin.sh" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mail-in-a-box&#x2F;mailinabox&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;tool...</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.digitalocean.com&#x2F;docs&#x2F;spaces&#x2F;resources&#x2F;s3-sdk-examples&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.digitalocean.com&#x2F;docs&#x2F;spaces&#x2F;resources&#x2F;s3-sdk-ex...</a>
gramakri超过 4 年前
Great to see this article here :-) nextcloud is easily one of the most popular apps on our platform cloudron and it&#x27;s for selfhosters what wordpress is for web hosters (meaning: a love&#x2F;hate relationship). Happy to answer any questions on next cloud.
mashal超过 4 年前
Really appreciate
mashal超过 4 年前
Wow
centimeter超过 4 年前
I tried nextcloud for a couple months earlier this year and found it to be overcomplicated poorly engineered junk. It was super unreliable on iPhone. Simple things that should have worked perfectly, like uploading or downloading files, were very unreliable. There’s a certain class of software, usually written these days in a PHP, python, or JS, where there’s a big focus on making it “easy to use” or having a nice UI that usually accomplishes neither and you also have to contend with the underlying software being bad.<p>At this point, the only solution I’ve found to the kind of self-hosting stuff nextcloud provides are various utilities built on top of SSH — like rsync (which works perfectly) - or samba (which works OK). I haven’t found anything that really works well on iOS.
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