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Paper about Herbalife-related patient death removed after legal threats

444 点作者 computer23超过 4 年前

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placer超过 4 年前
This happened back in the 1970s when some researchers tried to get follow-up information about whether alcoholics can moderately drink again.<p>Here’s what happened: The paper <i>Sobell 1973</i> made the bold claim that alcoholics could moderately drink again if given the right kind of therapy. So, other researchers asked: What was the long-term outcome with those patients supposedly engaging on “controlled drinking”?<p>So this research team including one Pendery asked Sobell for the list of patients so they could perform a proper follow-up. The Sobell researchers refused to provide the list. The Pendery team managed to get the list anyway. The Sobells then sued Pendary and their team to stop them from using the list.<p>After some litigation, the Pendary team got the Sobell lawsuit dismissed and then followed up with those supposedly moderate drinking patients.<p>Out of the 20 patients the Sobell study claimed were moderately drinking, only one arguably was still moderately drinking a decade later. Four of those “moderate drinkers” died from drinking too much. Eight were engaging in out of control drinking. Six were completely abstinent from alcohol. And one could not be found, but appeared to be “gravely disabled”.<p>No wonder the Sobells tried to block the follow up study with lawsuits: Because it showed that those “moderate drinkers” were no longer moderately drinking.<p>After a lot of effort, the Sobell lawsuit(s) were dismissed and the truth won.<p>References: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1982&#x2F;11&#x2F;02&#x2F;science&#x2F;showdown-nears-in-feud-over-alcohol-studies.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1982&#x2F;11&#x2F;02&#x2F;science&#x2F;showdown-nears-in...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1982&#x2F;06&#x2F;28&#x2F;us&#x2F;alcholism-study-under-new-attack.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1982&#x2F;06&#x2F;28&#x2F;us&#x2F;alcholism-study-under-...</a>
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jrockway超过 4 年前
Probably time to relax the laws on defamation a little bit, to prevent cases like these. The laws date from a time when access to media was hard, and just getting your thing published was an impossible amount of work. Now that we have social media, it&#x27;s not clear that we need the law to &quot;protect&quot; us here. If someone writes a hit piece about you, can probably get more people to read your defense. That&#x27;s new, and the laws haven&#x27;t been updated to account for that.<p>(Unlike more pressing issues facing society, this one doesn&#x27;t require spending money, or passing a Constitutional amendment, so it feels within reach!)
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userbinator超过 4 年前
Any link to a copy? I think Streisand Effect needs to happen to this one.<p>(Removing content usually just makes people more interested in it.)
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markdown超过 4 年前
Ooof, if mere Herbalife can get Elsevier to do this, one wonders what science about the oil industry, tobacco, sugar, etc has been concealed by Elsevier.
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Bellamy超过 4 年前
I did not know that one can settle a pyramid scheme in US. Good to know.
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jacquesm超过 4 年前
Herbalife is a cult masquerading as a business. The members are indoctrinated to the point that the term brainwashing probably applies and the group is extremely litigious and vengeful against those that leave, much like any other cult. I&#x27;ve seen the parents of a good friend be sucked in to this, their whole life revolves around that trash and they are up to their necks in debt because of it. It&#x27;s as if Scientology, multi-level marketing and homeopathic treatments had an evil child.
tim333超过 4 年前
I think Herbalife may get a bit of a Streisand effect here. I never would have heard about them having toxic product issues in India without the legal threats.
computer23超过 4 年前
Here is a Google drive link to the paper and related correspondence:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;drive&#x2F;folders&#x2F;1WukaGm8FfVWXyNulpc601ppyUEJ9j0R7?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;drive.google.com&#x2F;drive&#x2F;folders&#x2F;1WukaGm8FfVWXyNulpc60...</a><p>And John Oliver did an exposé on Herbalife&#x27;s business practices:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;s6MwGeOm8iI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;s6MwGeOm8iI</a>
ed25519FUUU超过 4 年前
I can really feel the tide turning in the health industry right now. Up until this point, we often looked to <i>add</i> things to our diet to increase our health (whole grains, fiber, antioxidants, minerals, supplements, etc, etc).<p>The evidence from things such as intermittent fasting is suggesting the path to better health is to <i>remove</i> from our diet and abstain from food, not the other way around. Removing all grains from your diet is probably vastly more healthy than <i>adding</i> whole grains.
tinus_hn超过 4 年前
Coincidentally the group of people who would fall for Herbalife is similar to the group of people who believe insane anti vaccine theories.
3131s超过 4 年前
Is there any way that lawyers can be sent to jail for making egregiously bad legal threats? Does it ever happen?
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