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Grenfell Tower inquiry: key things we’ve learned this year

86 点作者 vijayr02超过 4 年前

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csours超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve listened to about half of the Grenfell Tower Inquiry Podcast [0], as well as read and heard about it a few other places. I&#x27;m not an expert in anything related to this. My comments here are related to what I feel I&#x27;ve learned from this; I&#x27;m leaving aside legal&#x2F;punishment questions.<p>One thing I wish this article called out: Grenfell was not unique. About 400 other high-rise buildings have been or are being remediated for having some combination of the cladding and insulation used at Grenfell.<p>Some of the testimony is absolutely sickening and despicable - the insulation manufacturers coming up with a &#x27;clever&#x27; way to lie about the fire rating of their material, and a few other things.<p>But mostly the testimony reminded me of how complicated the world is, and how little we know about our own jobs. (Perhaps this is more unique to me, but I suspect not).<p>The architects felt like they were only specifying a design and the &#x27;look and feel&#x27; of materials.<p>The fire safety specialists concentrated their comments on egress and smoke extraction systems.<p>The inspectors concentrated on external appearance.<p>And so on, and so on. Everybody felt like they were just doing their job. Work and real life are complicated, and there are always time and budget pressures, so people just don&#x27;t have the time and attention to pick up on all the things that we notice after the fact.<p>---<p>A few brief reflections: Beware of a culture of &#x27;pencil-whipping&#x27; tests. If you raise a safety&#x2F;security concern with your manager and they don&#x27;t want to know about it, it&#x27;s a very bad sign. If you have a safety&#x2F;security concern raise it explicitly in email. Beware of rare events: it was clear from testimony that very few people involved in the project even imagined a large systemic fire risk, it wasn&#x27;t on their radar.<p>0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;programmes&#x2F;p066rd9t" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;programmes&#x2F;p066rd9t</a>
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ryantownsend超过 4 年前
I don’t want to distract from the tragedy itself but, even after all this, more people will continue to suffer due to the subsequent cladding scandal.<p>The UK government are trying to pass the costs of remediation for other cladded buildings on to leaseholders who didn’t have any involvement in the design, build or sign-off of their buildings.<p>Some people are already being bankrupted through extortionate waking watches, mitigation and remediation bills and I’ve even heard that one person in my city (Leeds) has killed themselves due to the stress.<p>According to the select committee reviewing the Building Safety Bill, “the only people who believe leaseholders should pay are the government”.<p>The House of Lords has proposed an amendment to the bill stating that leaseholders won’t be made to pay (note: not forcing the tax payer to pay, just ensuring the leaseholders don’t) and the Housing Committee (namely MP Robert Jenrick) are rejecting this on the basis that the tax payer shouldn’t foot the bill.<p>We’re talking sums amounting to up to £100k being charged to people who paid similar amounts for their apartments in the first place! One affected block was built <i>since</i> Grenfell, so the entire ownership could effectively be in massive negative equity.<p>The government have put together a fund of £1bn for non-ACM cladding remediation, expecting that to cover ~600 buildings, but already over 2,700 buildings have applied and the estimated cost UK-wide is upwards of £15bn.<p>The whole thing is an utter shambles and people are stuck unable to sell their properties (stalling the first time buyer market as they can’t move up to other properties, and meaning they cannot move for work in a time when there are masses of redundancies) or even remortgage!
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dazc超过 4 年前
As someone with a previous career in the UK construction industry, sad to say that none of these 11 things are much of a revelation.<p>What needs to be done, without any unnecessary delay, is for the management of the companies and authorities involved to be put on trial for corporate manslaughter.
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mellosouls超过 4 年前
Although it&#x27;s mentioned in passing, I think one of the most notable and disgusting things about the affair is the way key witnesses (at least one of whom seems to have been selling himself as some sort of noble whistleblower) have refused to appear citing dubious French law as prohibiting them.<p>The apparent moral cowardice of some people is depressing.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-54792111" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-54792111</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-55382056" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-55382056</a>
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chillydawg超过 4 年前
Justice delayed is justice denied. I realise we have to go through a process, but there&#x27;s a bus load of dead people and grieving families and friends waiting and waiting. This delay to justice is awful and I couldn&#x27;t imagine being on the receiving end of it. There&#x27;s also a good chance it&#x27;ll just end with &quot;multiple failures, sozlol&quot; and a couple of fines and everyone jogs on. The whole thing is just disgusting.
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jaco8超过 4 年前
It basically is a fraud with the leaseholder the victim. The system has failed. The government issued occupational permits. The fire services signed their ok. The cladding companies used false reports to get approval. The construction companies made a mess. The solicitors approved the title deeds for signing without checking realities. Now everything is false and needs to be renewed with costs beyond belief. The leaseholder is the consumer and must be protected by consumer protection law and also will need to be compensated for any loss. The government will need to foot the bill and then can claw the costs back from their own departments,cladding and construction companies as well as other parties who failed the leaseholder. The waking watch is another fraud forced upon leaseholders. Two guys walking about with their smartphones playing games or sitting somewhere catching up on study books will not cut it. The freeholder getting kickbacks from the building insurance company , which is saying that anything can be insured at a price , is also laughing on the way to the bank.
hyko超过 4 年前
Absolutely awful, a disgrace to humanity. They burnt people alive to profit from their miserable little scam business. No matter how hard I squint, I just can’t make sense of their actions.<p>This list is a terrifying glimpse of how the entire world would end up without effective regulation. People like this would glide to the top on a carpet of skeletons and we’d basically have to re-invent government to stop them.
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LatteLazy超过 4 年前
Number 12: if its unclear who has to pay for something, no one will, even if potentially millions of lives could be at risk.
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flybrand超过 4 年前
Safety is a commons; we have a tragedy of the commons. Capitalism willfully ignores safety when not punished.
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