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Adobe Lightroom v6 is Falling Apart

171 点作者 kawera超过 4 年前

24 条评论

jrockway超过 4 年前
I wish Lightroom was good. I stopped using it because it&#x27;s incredibly slow. Even on a 32 core Threadripper, things like &quot;list the files in this directory&quot; take seconds. I can&#x27;t deal with it. Honestly, I would have dealt with it, if Adobe&#x27;s mandatory extra software weren&#x27;t so annoying. The installer auto-installs a &quot;cloud drive&quot;, and then it&#x27;s in every Explorer window, slowing down every file operation in the OS... that was the last straw for me. (They promised to remove it, but never did, so I stopped paying for their software.)<p>Honestly, Lightroom never really worked for me. It made easy things hard and hard things impossible. I take a lot of film photographs, and it just didn&#x27;t integrate with any of the tools I use to capture the images. I do everything manually in several separate pieces of software, and adding one more didn&#x27;t help much.
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pmlnr超过 4 年前
Leave it. Rawtherapee, darktable, digikam are all excellent, open source raw (and sometimes more) editors.<p>Hugin ( <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hugin.sourceforge.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hugin.sourceforge.net&#x2F;</a> ) can create brilliant panoramas, even from a bad batch.<p>Note: there is still no alternative to PS, given it&#x27;s both a raster and a vector editor.
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Groxx超过 4 年前
Huh. Did the ToS &#x2F; other sale media mention that this was a time-limited feature?<p>I <i>have</i> seen things like google maps integrations listed with expiration dates on non-subscription software. It&#x27;s unfortunate for users, but I do think it&#x27;s reasonable for some of these &quot;depends on a third party&quot; features to expire (or when they change APIs), as otherwise it&#x27;s implying perpetual upkeep, which will absolutely not happen. It just needs to be communicated... and crashing the program when that occurs is just plain inexcusably bad.
charrondev超过 4 年前
&gt; While many (or even most) photographers have embraced the switch to paying a subscription in exchange for having always-up-to-date apps, some photographers have still been holding out and riding their perpetual versions for as long as possible.<p>While I feel for the people in the former camp, it’s an interesting conundrum.<p>Should a company be forced to pay a license for external IP in perpetuity because they once sold licenses the way Adobe did?<p>If so that will likely only force more businesses down the rabbit hole of subscription services.
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nbzso超过 4 年前
My view as a serious hobby photographer is simple. No Adobe products in my life. Period. There are things that are logical with subscription plan, servers, cloud, collaboration functionality. Designing creative software with dark UX is Adobe business model. In the past their software was highly overpriced but you can have a lifespan of 3-4-5 years with updates. The reason that people are falling in Adobe Subscriptions trap was the notion that there is no alternative. But there is, Affinity, Capture One, Darktable - free, Raw Therapy- free, and more. I have invested in platform independent metadata workflow since Apple killed Aperture and left photographers in Adobe hell. Side note: One of the reasons people to shoot film is the focus on creative process without complicated software relationships. Can you imagine, if you are an artist and your brush &quot;must&quot; have subscription license and suddenly crashes without internet connection? This is the future according to software companies. Services, services, services:)
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AuthorizedCust超过 4 年前
&gt; <i>Adobe’s earnings have been shattering expectations in recent years, sending the company’s stock soaring over 700% over the past half-decade, so the Creative Cloud subscription model has definitely been a savvy switch.</i><p>While like many here I prefer other solutions, the marketplace is validating Adobe’s approach.
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herpderperator超过 4 年前
If you are looking for an extremely performant Lightroom alternative, a very common program among professional photographers is Photo Mechanic. I use it and it&#x27;s stupid fast at rendering RAW images as fast as you can scroll.
alkonaut超过 4 年前
I’m happy with my perpetual LR (4.X) license. Obviously I don’t use anything that would need internet access such as a third party API and I understand that anything that relies on a third party API is never really perpetual. I’d be annoyed if a library “expired” crippling my software though.
coliveira超过 4 年前
While I&#x27;m not a fan of Adobe, people need to realize that the software industry changed a lot in the last decade. In the past one could write software for an OS such as Windows or Classic Mac and have it working for decades. Nowadays, any software developer will tell you how difficult it is to maintain software even across single digit changes. Companies like Apple, Google, and even MS have forced developers to toil on rewrites year after year to support the new operating systems they release. In the web this is even worse. So I think that the old model of buying software and expecting that it will work for a long time is dead, killed by the process used by big companies. What is left is either well-maintained open source or subscription-based commercial software.
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optician_owl超过 4 年前
Lightroom has some critical problems limiting professional use.<p>* Forced lens profiles. (And more. There are reports of double application of profiles)<p>* Color and light correction also changes untouched parameters (it&#x27;s ok but there is no workaround). If you need to do a more accurate job then use C1 or Photoshop.
dmcy22超过 4 年前
I recently upgraded to an M1 Mac after my 2016 MacBook Pro died. It&#x27;s an awesome machine; however, when I tried to install Lightroom 6, I wasn&#x27;t able to because the installer isn&#x27;t 64 bit. As a hobbyist who edits photos only a handful of times a year – usually after trips or photoshoots – moving to a subscription model is really costly. What&#x27;s silly is that I was able to use Lightroom 6 on my 2016 MBP, even after upgrading to Big Sur. I don&#x27;t blame Adobe for not supporting a product that came out 5 years ago but how nice would it be if they did.
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mjcohen超过 4 年前
I still use Picasa on my Macs. Works fine in High Sierra and works in Mojave after I click five times on a message saying that it doesn&#x27;t work.
staticshock超过 4 年前
There&#x27;s one photo organization feature I really want that I haven&#x27;t yet seen in any existing asset managers: a way to group bursted photos together and hide a set of images behind one &quot;representative&quot; image in the main stream, while still making them accessible if necessary. Anyone aware of software that comes close?
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zzleeper超过 4 年前
Any suggestions for an Acrobat alternative that can do simple things such as rotate a PDF or extract a page from it?<p>I use SumatraPDF as my daily PDF reader but still have to resort to Acrobat for those things. And the latest update (that requires creating an online account!) finally did it for me, I&#x27;m sick of Acrobat.
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systemvoltage超过 4 年前
JetBrains should develop design&#x2F;media&#x2F;production tools.
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yumraj超过 4 年前
This is not restricted to Adobe Lightroom. Many other companies are ignoring older versions and in some cases the file formats have been changed to force people to update. Symptoms are different but root cause is similar.<p>I have an older version of Sketch. Due to my use case, not a designer, I have no need to pay them actually. Lately I needed to use it, and none of the new templates work making my paid version of Sketch useless.<p>At least my old version of Acrobat still works with new and old PDFs.
Alt-ThrowAway超过 4 年前
I can offer some perspective on this because I was a senior employee at Adobe before, during and after the entire transition to Creative Cloud. I was involved in much of the management discussions and decision-making related to the CC transition and business model change.<p>First, a few &quot;full disclosure&quot; bullets:<p>* I left Adobe on good terms and still have several current or former employees as acquaintances and friends.<p>* Based on what I observed during my tenure, Adobe is a quality and ethical company that broadly tries to do right by customers, employees, shareholders, partners, and so on. Obviously, I&#x27;m speaking to overall ethos here. Adobe is a big, multi-national, publicly-traded, for-profit company and I&#x27;m certainly aware of a few notable exceptions over the years but such ethical lapses have been, to my knowledge, limited to specific individuals, groups or time-periods and not systemic or condoned at the senior management level.<p>* I still use some Adobe creative tools including Lightroom for my personal needs and pay for them out of my own pocket. I don&#x27;t make my living or earn income with creative tools. I also personally use some competitor&#x27;s alternatives as well as open source tools if they suit my needs or preferences.<p>* While an Adobe employee I earned salary, bonuses, benefits and RSU grants. I worked hard, did well and have personally profited from the increase in Adobe&#x27;s stock price. I still hold a sizable-for-me stash of fully-vested Adobe shares which I&#x27;m in no hurry to sell. I think Adobe is one of the better large tech companies in the valley and I&#x27;m happy I accepted their job offer.<p>With that out of the way... let&#x27;s get to the meat. Note - I don&#x27;t intend to share anything I learned while bound by confidentiality per my employment contract. I do intend to speak more frankly than I could while an employee.<p>* The Creative Cloud value proposition is quite good for creative professionals who earn all or most of their income using two or more of the major applications. Do the math and the subscription pricing works out lower than the old perpetual pricing for the full Creative Suite + bi-yearly upgrades.<p>* For single application users (except PS+LR), it&#x27;s not quite as good. It is about equal if you were upgrading every cycle. If you opted to skip perpetual version upgrades sometimes then the subscription pricing is more expensive.<p>* PS+LR is different because it is offered at a lower bundle price to accommodate the sizable base of hobbyist or aspiring photographers.<p>* I plan to transition from using Photoshop and Lightroom to alternative tools for my personal needs by the end of next year. (No, I&#x27;m not sure which ones yet, there are several pretty good options ranging from open source to for-profit competitors)<p>* PS and LR are still good products getting good upgrades and Adobe is still a good company. The only thing changing is Adobe&#x27;s business interests are growing less aligned with my interests as an occasional hobby user. This trend seems unlikely to reverse. Adobe&#x27;s professional users want powerful professional tools with pro service options. Many of them are willing and able to pay for that. It makes economic sense for them and Adobe. It just doesn&#x27;t make as much sense for me. I&#x27;m an individual retail user buying one year (or month) at a time of Adobe&#x27;s lowest margin flagship SKU. Most of Adobe&#x27;s Creative Cloud profit comes from enterprise and agency site licenses sold in multi-year deals by the hundreds and thousands.<p>* From support costs to sales costs to transaction costs (credit card bill backs and other PITA.) I&#x27;m just not as valuable of a customer by weight. Yes, there are companies that choose to cater to retail individual customers. This isn&#x27;t easy but it can be done profitably if done at large enough scale and built as a core competency.<p>* It can be argued that Adobe should cut the subscription price to attract much larger scale and make it up in volume. The problem is that this level of powerful tooling isn&#x27;t needed by casual or occasional users. As an individual home user I don&#x27;t need the scripting features in PS, SSO, enterprise remote automated installers, and so on. But Adobe&#x27;s most profitable customers do. Even the neat AI automation features they are spending big R&amp;D on aren&#x27;t very valuable for me. I don&#x27;t even do enough to make learning the time-saving AI features worth the effort. But someone who needs to process hundreds of photos could find those capabilities an essential part of their usage.<p>I don&#x27;t think this is anyone&#x27;s fault. If we must place blame, I guess we should pin it on how the stock market values quarterly and yearly progress over 5 or 10 year progress. I hope the Long-Term Stock Market will become a thing but the reality is it won&#x27;t be soon enough to change this situation. Making a big change now would be seen by Adobe investors as not worth the risk. Adobe&#x27;s stock is up because they took a steep risk in making the leap to the cloud model. Back before committing to the leap, Adobe management knew it was going to be hard and perilous. Frankly, it was the least bad of the remaining options once it was clear the perpetual + upgrades treadmill was likely to turn into a downward spiral of ever-diminishing returns. Arguably, Adobe is one of the most successful examples of a legacy firm executing that difficult transition in a legacy market and doing so very, very well. They did the work, they are delivering value to a large and profitable segment of customers and monetizing it profitably. That customer just isn&#x27;t me.
ksec超过 4 年前
- Off Topic :<p>Why Apple kept Final Cut Pro and killed Aperture is beyond me.<p>Still no news from Affinity LR replacement.
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errantspark超过 4 年前
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I absolutely hate the SaaS model, the incentives are never in your favor as a customer.<p>In case anyone is looking to ditch Lightroom I can&#x27;t recommend the FOSS alternative RawTherapee strongly enough. It&#x27;s got a number of features I now find indispensable. I particularly find it easy to use to get that nice rounded off highlight quality film has using RT. I made the swap years ago and have never missed LR.
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rgbrenner超过 4 年前
Sold for $150, released in April 2015. End of life was Dec 2017. 3 years after that it breaks. Eh.. 5.5 years is a good run. Do people really expect software to work forever after it&#x27;s reached end of life? Even with Windows updates? And hardware changes? What does &quot;end of life&quot; mean to people if it doesn&#x27;t mean what the words say?
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tomc1985超过 4 年前
Sounds like something fairly easy to crack for those so inclined.
danielfoster超过 4 年前
Capture One is 10x better than Lightroom.
r3trohack3r超过 4 年前
tl;dr: It seems Adobe may have sold Adobe Lightroom v6 under a perpetual license, but Adobe didn’t have a perpetual license for the libraries they bundled in that sale.<p>According to the article, Lightroom v6 still works when you change the system clock. And it only breaks when you attempt to use specific plugins after a certain date.
mbloom1915超过 4 年前
Figma FTW