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What’s the best non-smart TV sold today?

223 点作者 thomas超过 4 年前

45 条评论

Exmoor超过 4 年前
Perhaps I should be more concerned about the security and privacy issues with smart TV's, but what really annoys me is the (un)planned obsolescence aspect. In a few years I know that manufacturer will have zero interest in keeping the software updated to support new services and updated apps and I'll wind up with a bloated, broken UI. I'd much rather that "Smart" TV's just include their own proprietary stick that plugged into the HDMI input and could be replaced with a current generation streaming stick in a few years. I know there are good economic and business reasons for not doing this, but it'd be a real selling point for me.
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OneFunFellow超过 4 年前
800+ comments from ~3 months ago<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24666968" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24666968</a>
compsciphd超过 4 年前
the best non smart TVs are crap relative to the &quot;smart&quot; TVs. the top of the line TVs made by LG, Panasonic, Sony, Samsung (and vizio, tcl, hisense.....) are all smart. If you insist on a TV without smart features, you will be sacrificing picture quality.<p>the closest you can get is with a projector, and even projectors suffer when it comes to HDR content where you want both brightness and as inky blacks as you can get.
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nicwolff超过 4 年前
I have a 55&quot; commercial LG &quot;Wallpaper&quot; OLED and it is &quot;dumb&quot; and gorgeous – and mounts flat to the wall at only 4mm thick! No 4K, no HDR, don&#x27;t miss them a bit. No apps, no ads, no features at all really; one HDMI in, which I have connected to an Apple TV via a Denon HEOS AVR.
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EricE超过 4 年前
Just don&#x27;t put it on the Internet? What&#x27;s wrong with that? For &quot;Smart&quot; TVs that have obnoxious screens just to switch inputs - ignore them. I still have a great stereo receiver and it does all my switching.<p>Yes, I prefer non-smart TVs but you can also treat most of them as dumb TVs and they still work fine. If I ever did end up with one that refused to work if it wasn&#x27;t online I&#x27;d take the sucker back.<p>I have ZERO intention to ever use the software bundled with a TV for all of the reasons others talk about in this thread. It&#x27;s just not that big a deal to use something else as the source for my content.
haunter超过 4 年前
Highly recommend <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rtings.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rtings.com&#x2F;</a> The best TV reviewing site by far
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Cactus2018超过 4 年前
like the last time this question was asked on HN, this blog post is <i>really</i> about the amazon affiliate links.<p>Short answer is &quot;Sceptre 65&quot; Class 4K UHD LED TV HDR U650CV-U&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.walmart.com&#x2F;ip&#x2F;Sceptre-65-Class-4K-UHD-LED-TV-HDR-U650CV-U&#x2F;48874705" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.walmart.com&#x2F;ip&#x2F;Sceptre-65-Class-4K-UHD-LED-TV-HD...</a><p>However, If you are in the market for a modern TV - be sure to look at the OLED technology - OLED is amazing. This video shows an example of how the OLEDs self-light - and how that tech is great for viewing star-fields<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=226kWMOVGGc&amp;t=190s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=226kWMOVGGc&amp;t=190s</a>
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lwansbrough超过 4 年前
The article mentions them but one of the best options available are commercial displays. No frills, usually matte with minimal bezel.
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koolk3ychain超过 4 年前
I just bought a projector. It solves so many issues - first of all it&#x27;s dumb as fuck (zero &quot;smart&quot; features), two I can only use it once it&#x27;s dark out and three I always unplug all the cables so if I want to relax I have to go through the effort of plugging it in and focusing it on my wall. On top of all of these benefits, I don&#x27;t have to look at a stupid piece of plastic and glass mounted to my wall.
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bozzcl超过 4 年前
Regarding the Pi-Hole issues... a few days ago, I decided to set up firewall rules to block all outgoing DNS and DNS-over-HTTPS traffic, except one coming from my Raspberry Pi. I discovered two things:<p>My nVidia Shield TV was desperately trying to connect to Google&#x27;s DNS. So yeah, I wasn&#x27;t being paranoid!<p>My phone&#x27;s Google Play Store refused to work without using Google&#x27;s DoH. That&#x27;s the troublesome side effect if DoH.
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duxup超过 4 年前
I just choose not to connect any TV to the internet.<p>Any internet connected device goes through an HDMI switch.<p>Hopefully that continues to work for me.
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kazinator超过 4 年前
If you buy a &quot;non-smart TV&quot;, unless you plan to use it with an analog tuner or something, you&#x27;re going to plug in boxes, and those potentially carry the privacy-invading bogey man.<p>There is literally no difference, in this regard, between a dumb TV with a dongle&#x2F;box plugged in, and a smart TV which has exactly the same thing built-in.<p>The nice thing about a dumb TV, such as the one I have is:<p>- simplicity of operation&#x2F;configuration. I never have to fiddle with any menus in my dumb TV. You turn it on and it&#x27;s ready to go. All the HDMI inputs have dedicated buttons on the remote control, so switching inputs is easy. Changing picture mode: dedicated button. Other than for switching inputs, I don&#x27;t use the TV remote at all. The Android TV box&#x27;s remote is a beautiful thing of simplicity. Smart TVs running Android TV come with complicated remote controls: the &quot;android box&quot; feature built inside doesn&#x27;t have its own simple remote (unless you buy an after-market one, I suppose).<p>- portable &quot;brains&quot;: the box or dongle you plug into it fits into a coat pocket. Take it anywhere and watch your content (anywhere, modulo possible geographic restrictions, for which you need a VPN).<p>- portable &quot;brains&quot;: possibility of upgrading the TV, without the hassle of re-installing apps and logging into each one: just out with the old TV, in with the new. <i>Logging into apps on a new device is particularly a pain if you&#x27;re mooching logins off friends and relatives!</i><p>- the ability to shut the TV off, yet have content keep playing and listen to the audio. This is possible if your Android box has an audio jack! I absolutely love this. I hate visual content burning pixels on the screen when I&#x27;m just listening to music.
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donarb超过 4 年前
I bought an LG smart TV because the picture looked good and it was a good price. I have never enabled any smart features and it’s disconnected from the internet. I have an Apple TV box that I use as my tuner.
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francis-io超过 4 年前
Anything dumb and oled? I&#x27;d like to upgrade my LG 1080p but not yet found a top quality image but with dumb internals. So far, I just don&#x27;t connect to Wi-Fi.<p>Something I have noticed with my smart tv is that it takes a significant time to boot up before it&#x27;s able to inputs... This is progress, I guess...
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swanson超过 4 年前
I really hated SmartTVs and would actively avoid them, but I recently got one of the Roku branded TVs and it&#x27;s actually quite good. Roku has always been great for me in terms of software updates, availability of streaming services, and good-enough UI that everyone in the family can use it.
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KingMachiavelli超过 4 年前
The best non-smart TV technology is probably a decent 4K consumer projector. They cost between 2000 to 3000 dollars. While there are some trade offs (consumer 4k projectors aren&#x27;t real 4k but rather display 4 1080p images... it&#x27;s weird), but I haven&#x27;t run into any of them that come with &#x27;smart&#x27; features. The other trade off is that projectors are designed to be for &gt;=100&quot; setups so it&#x27;s only available as a premium product.<p>Personally, the introduction of micro LED TVs in the next few years may make 100&quot; TVs an affordable reality so I am a bit bearish on jumping into consumer projector market if you haven&#x27;t already.<p>Best bit is to just not connect the TV to the internet. I have not come across a model that requires an internet connection to work.
alkonaut超过 4 年前
Can’t see why the non-smart option would be better than the no-internet option. I’d try to find one that can be upgraded from a USB stick so you don’t even need to connect it occasionally.
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throwaway189262超过 4 年前
Just don&#x27;t connect your smart TV to the internet. Those saying running a dumb TV with a dongle is just as privacy invading are wrong. Some smart TV&#x27;s use content recognition to send back everything you watch to the manufacturer. Viewing times, gaming, music, air TV. They can see everything your screen can and it&#x27;s terrifying.<p>With dongles, they can only see what the dongle can. Not my gaming sessions or watching local games over the air.<p>Beware, some smart TV&#x27;s will also try to get an internet connection over HDMI.
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egberts1超过 4 年前
I just bought an LG-OLED TV. After the first power up, I just accepted the first EULA and ignore the other 2 buttons.<p>Monitored via WireShark&#x2F;SquidProxyTLS and have found no malicious or data-revealing data save for occasional upgrade.<p>Out of curiosity, I accepted the two other button after manufacturer reset and blacklisted&#x2F;PiHole’d the extra TCP&#x2F;IP&#x2F;DNS sessions.<p>Resetted it back to just EULA but with full firewall block via its local IP of its WebTV OS.<p>Only errant packets are for searching for a local media server (via multicast DLNA).
ThePhysicist超过 4 年前
If you&#x27;re worried about privacy just don&#x27;t connect it to the Internet and buy a smart TV stick of your choice instead that you plug into the HDMI port of the TV (or use a Raspberry Pi if you don&#x27;t trust those either). Problem solved.<p>Probably 99 % of people are fine with owning a smart TV, so it&#x27;s clear that manufacturers won&#x27;t cater to the 1 % that are not fine with it.
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3gg超过 4 年前
&quot;It seems like almost every TV sold today is a smart one, which means a lack of control of what’s happening on our device&quot;<p>&quot;Just Don’t Connect It To the Internet [...] You can then go ahead and add a Nvidia Shield or Apple TV and connect that to the internet.&quot;<p>Trading one surveillance system for another.
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soupson超过 4 年前
Apple, please bring the XDR line to full size TVs and end this bullshit. Making users do deep research on hostile software implementations so they know which features to forego so their privacy is protected... somebody needs to blow this industry up.
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emteycz超过 4 年前
What if instead of looking for a dumb TV we flashed the ROM with our OS, like a phone?
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dognotdog超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve recently gotten a Philips 558M1RY, after not wanting to get a Smart TV because of UI and privacy issues. It is marketed as a &quot;Console Monitor.&quot; I was going to attach a PC to it anyway, as I don&#x27;t have traditional cable or an aerial. I gotta say it&#x27;s a bit pricey for its size, though being 4K and HDR, it is not that bad. And I&#x27;m not limited to whatever clunky, ad-riddled UI the vendor chose, but can choose my own clunky UI for watching Netflix, etc.<p>If only HDR support on the PC side wasn&#x27;t so terrible, it&#x27;d be a fantastic setup :&#x2F;
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vbernat超过 4 年前
The main difference between a monitor and a TV is the TV comes with a picture processor (upscaling, noise reduction, motion interpolation, image blur reduction, deeper blacks, etc). I have switched from a low-priced Samsung TV to a mid-range Sony TV and these help a lot. Are dumb TV able to do that as well? If I look at the datasheet of the Sceptre U550CV-UMC, they say they do noise reduction, but not much else. Also, reviews are basically non-existant.
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debbiedowner超过 4 年前
Is there a comprehensive list of how these smart tvs spy on you? Is it worse than owning an amazon alexa?<p>Or is it an attack vector for hackers?<p>Or are people just annoyed at the software on smart tvs?
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kubav超过 4 年前
I have 10 years old samsung smart TV and use it with internet connection but I use firewall on my router to block access to samsung sites. It works perfectly, TV is not able to call home and I can use smart features. If I want to download new firmware it is easy to temporarily disable firewall rules. This is better solution than using 3rd party device as I do not trust them either. But I am not sure if this works for newer models too.
dehrmann超过 4 年前
I wish there were open source firmware for TVs. I actually appreciate having apps built-in, I just don&#x27;t want Samsung UI or their spying.
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gingerlime超过 4 年前
Can’t find it now, but saw some post about a laser projector? I’m guessing it’s not really laser but somehow using better tech. Anybody familiar with those?<p>EDIT: found it <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25503327" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25503327</a> but still curious to learn more about the tech if anyone can share
newhotelowner超过 4 年前
Best non-smart TV = Hospitality&#x2F;Healthcare TVs.<p>Majority are not smart. Expensive compare to regular TVs. Tons of configuration option. You can even change the channel numbers like mapping 56.1 to 5.<p>I think cheapest LG 4k 49in is like $400. High end is like $600.<p>Since its not a smart TV, you don&#x27;t need to connect to the internet or update firmware.
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BooneJS超过 4 年前
Keep in mind that several routers have the ability to block devices from the network. For instance, Google WiFi’s “family WiFi” allows you to pause or schedule pauses for individual devices. This can help you get firmware when you need it and cut out ads&#x2F;smart features at all other times.
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tmerr超过 4 年前
Incidentally I tried to buy a Sceptre TV. It may have been the one mentioned in the article. It arrived with a shattered screen, and I&#x27;m not surprised given the flimsy build quality.<p>You&#x27;re better off buying a smart TV and not using its smart features. I&#x27;ve never connected mine to the internet.
deltron3030超过 4 年前
Build your own TV with a short-throw projector and back projection screen if you a have a spare corner. You can make it look seamless basically like raising a thin artificial wall with a cutout for the screen. You could even hide a subwoofer in that corner and out of sight.
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kmfrk超过 4 年前
A big problem with TVs right now is the mess that is HDMI 2.1. Companies keep putting out firmware updates to make features like VRR work (somewhat), which is a huge bummer for TV Ethernet-cutters like myself.
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BGthaOG超过 4 年前
Im a little late to the party but there is also: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;displayy.studio&#x2F;ironcast.tv&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;displayy.studio&#x2F;ironcast.tv&#x2F;</a>
owaislone超过 4 年前
How do PC monitors today compare with TVs? I wonder if higher end monitors combined with sound bars and chromecast&#x2F;firestick would be a good enough replacement for the living room TV.
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deeblering4超过 4 年前
I’m quite fond of my sceptre. It was ~$200 8 years ago and with a $30 roku it is still going strong. Its a 40” lcd but they make all sorts of other sizes.
jayd16超过 4 年前
Its not that hard to get a nice TV and ignore the smart features on it, is it?<p>Just never connect it to the internet. No privacy issues either, right?
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rubyfan超过 4 年前
Are any of these TVs jail-breakable? I’m actually OK with smart tech, I just don’t like it being used against me.
lobster45超过 4 年前
I suggest to buy a large computer monitor
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sam_lowry_超过 4 年前
Any commercial signage display would do.
simlevesque超过 4 年前
I bought a dumb TV 3 months ago. It&#x27;s a simple Samsung 1080p TV. I don&#x27;t need anything else.
newdude116超过 4 年前
What is the difference between a montior and a TV? Why not buy a monitor and use a Raspberry?<p>Serious question.
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corytheboyd超过 4 年前
Outside of the annoyance of having features that go unused, what is the argument against smart TVs if you don’t connect them to the internet? Every single one I have used works offline, still has the necessary inputs, is still a TV.
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throwaway9870超过 4 年前
NEC commercial displays, absolutely rock solid.