The fact that targetteed ads are bad seems to be accepted as a given. However, in my naivité I struggle to grasp the rationale of this obvious truth. I hate all ads, but I kind of hate random, useless ads worse than potentially useful suggestions for products or services. Can someone help me please?
Because advertisers are bad faith actors and what I do on the internet is none of their business.<p>I have depression. Last night I did 60m of scientific research on ways to improve it, including new advancements in psychedelic treatments.<p>I closed my laptop, went to bed, and opened my phone for some late night reading (yes, bad habit). Practically any site I visited spammed me with ads for SAFE AND CHEAP 100% GUARANTEED MEDICALLY SUPERVISED KETAMINE INJECTIONS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<p>Ads are bad because:
(1) It felt disgusting to know advertisers were spying on me when I was trying to get better.
(2) Advertisers have no incentive to show me an ad for a safe or appropriate product — just one that I will click on. They are in the business of exploiting my psyche for profit.
(3) Advertisers build profiles and resell them in the long term. Somewhere, there is a DB linking my IP with my identity, and now they’ve added the fact that I have mental health issues to that profile. Because of the lack of regulations in the US, I have no way of making sure that data doesn’t fall into the wrong hands (such as insurance companies, recruitment agencies, hackers, or just asshole ad agency employees who don’t care about PII).
It's not even the ads themselves that are to be deplored, but just that a large chunk of the smartest people of our generation are incentivized to spend their lives' work getting people to click on them.
I think one root of negative sentiment comes from the real-time bidding (RTB) system.<p>Under RTB, there's outward information exchange of a granular personal profile to an uncontrolled number of third parties, based around a taxonomy that contains what EU/UK law defines to be sensitive health information.<p>This happens behind the scenes, invisible to the user. The end result is that incredibly granular, highly sensitive data points are being shared alongside persistent unique identifiers for users. Examples of this include inferred HIV positive status etc [0]. All being passed around thousands of intermediaries in real-time.<p>Some more info on this is at <a href="https://www.iccl.ie/human-rights/info-privacy/real-time-bidding-evidence/" rel="nofollow">https://www.iccl.ie/human-rights/info-privacy/real-time-bidd...</a> (former Brave guy is now at ICCL leading their campaign work against RTB)<p>[0] <a href="https://www.iccl.ie/human-rights/info-privacy/rtb-data-breach-2-years-on/" rel="nofollow">https://www.iccl.ie/human-rights/info-privacy/rtb-data-breac...</a>
On its surface, I don't mind basic ad targeting. You're right, I'm a 38-year old male with two small daughters. I'd rather see ads for things that market towards 38 year old men and 3 year old girls over random ads for products marketed towards other demographics.<p>Privacy concerns aside (only because other people here will articulate them better), one of my big issues with targeted advertising is that it sucks at its job. I don't see ads for things I want. I see ads for things I researched once and then decided against. I see ads for things I purchased a month ago.<p>Targeted ads as described above almost sounds like a service for me: here's some curated things you might be interested in. But that's not what targeted ads actually do, and consumers are not meant to benefit from them.
The ads themselves are not the problem (for most people). Rather, the data collection required to gain a competitive edge on ad targeting makes these services increasingly intrusive. They simply have to suck up and store as much data as possible and any failure to do that will cripple their business.
The targetting doesn't seem to work. I get bombarded with car ads. I don't drive. I'm never going to drive. I don't own a car. I'm never going to own a car. I have no interest in cars (other than my general anti-car views). I think most (but not all) car use is dumb and the ads don't persuade me otherwise.<p>Or I'm bombarded with ads for something I've already bought. You bought a rug? Here are 300 ads for other different rugs.<p>Sometimes the ad placement is terrible. I work in patient safety in English NHS mental health settings. This means I'm frequently searching using the word "suicide". One time I was searching a newspaper website to try to find a report they'd done. Here's the ad that was placed: <a href="https://imgur.com/hhOYUJb" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/hhOYUJb</a><p>But then as well as that I'm also worried about the privacy implications. People share computers and people share accounts, and the ad network has no way of knowing who's looking at the screen at any time.
I don’t want ads that remind me that I’m being tracked online and my estimated persona becomes more detailed with every link I click. I don’t want the track-and-profile phenomenon to exist at all. It’s a horrorshow.
Targeted ads require tracking and profiling users. That profiling is usually of poor quality. I've actually never seen a targeted ad that interests me, they are usually just trying to sell me something I've already looked at or even bought (re-targeting). From an advertiser standpoint I'm pretty certain that they are an absolute waste of money. In G̶e̶r̶m̶a̶n̶y̶ the Netherlands (following the GDRP) some publishers have switched to the old model of direct-sold ads where advertisers bid on placement next to relevant content instead of bidding on users. That has increased publisher ad revenue and those ads actually get more clicks.
I checked my youtube search history one day. It goes back to 2010 and most of the time I search for the same stuff. Particular songs I remember, specific topics. Really nothing new or interesting.<p>I want new info and to be connected to the world in my media. Personalised ads and media kills the sense that the media is confirming your worldview. We all know it's a tiny isolated bubble of information and rarely do recommended feeds or ads suggest something I want.<p>Personalised ads attune themselves to my past and I don't need to solve the same problem repeatedly.
The problems with tracking, generally:<p>Are you sure that, should your advertising profile (i.e. all the sites you browse) fall into the hands of your health insurer, employer, government or even friends, it wouldn't cause trouble for you?<p>Do you trust a bunch of data brokers that arent even public (with the exception of Google and Facebook) to keep your data confidential?<p>And ad related:<p>In the hands of competent advertisers, your profile can be used to manipulate you. Not only to buy shiny stuff you don't want, but also, for example, politically.<p>In the hands of incompetent advertisers or MACHINE LEARNING! (tm), you get the annoying features like being bombarded with TV ads when you just bought a new TV last week and won't need another earlier than in 5 years. Or being offered stuff you really don't care about but some algorithm thinks it's related.<p>And one little privacy issue: what targeted ads display can give out information about you that you don't want made public to people who may see your screen. The example of the pregnant girl who began getting coupons for stuff for new mothers while hiding from her family that she's pregnant has been mentioned on this page.<p>And last but not least:<p>Do you want to live in a world where you'll only be presented with content you're sure to like? Because they can only be sure you'll like it if you've seen it before and reacted positively to it, which means that after a while you'll stop seeing anything new.
As others have said, for me it's more about the methods used or whether they're using data about me I specifically gave them or they've inferred from me.<p>Targeting me on a keyword search is fine, also location.<p>Targeting me because of pages I've viewed in the past several weeks, a verbal conversation I've had, people I know, via the contents of my email- not so good.
It’s not the ads it’s the lack of transparency on data collection and sharing.<p>If I want personalized ads, recommendations, etc, make it clear what data you’re collecting and for what purposes:<p>- Have me opt in<p>- let me see who you intend to share it with<p>- tell me what it’s used for<p>- let me inspect and delete the data as if I own it
a) They're never good enough. One form of targeted ad appears to be 'if they've bought this once, they'll buy it again', failing to take into account how likely a repeat purchase might be, which is all sorts of wrongheadedness. It's similar to an uncanny valley effect - genuinely perfect targeted ads could be very useful, but below a very high level of accuracy, they just become even more annoying than random ads<p>b) The data required for ads to be sufficiently targeted is beyond what many of us feel comfortable having companies sharing with each other<p>c) Targeted ads are typically delivered dynamically, raising all sorts of security and efficiency drawbacks
Ads are designed to change your behavior. In broad strokes that's not bad - advertising is a form of education and there are a lot of great products and services out there you wouldn't otherwise know about.<p>The more I know about you though, the more I can change that into direct manipulation. Imagine someone hired a team of top psychologists who had access to everything about you, and wanted you to do something for their own benefit. They'd probably do pretty well at convincing you to do it - but what are the chances they're acting in your best interest?
There is nothing bad showing relevant ads, but thats not the point, this data can be used to manipulate you in many ways.<p>To get an idea how bad it is watch this Documentary on Netflix - The Social Dilemma
If you dont understand it already, you likely never will. I don't understand either why people are so interested in this kind of privacy, but some people are. Your data gets collected by free services like fb, cnn, gmail or perhaps hacker news(?). It gets sold on to ad services like google ads, who use it to create ads for you. advertisers pay ad services to run their advertisements for them. You either think this is fine or you don't.
In general? Many reasons, which are listed already.<p>Specifically? Do you want political organisations weaponising your preferences and interests in an attempt to manipulate your vote? Even if that means flat-out lying to you and others in an attempt to manipulate your behaviour by targeting your personal hot-button issues?<p>Because this has happened a number of times already, and will continue to happen on ever-larger scales until the practice is banned.
Targeted ads are harder to tune out. I'd rather spend minimal effort on discarding those parts of the screen.<p>I think the greater harm done is in the information collected for it to be called personalised. Once it's accurately personalised and you're willing to consider buying something, then ads could be more justifiable. That's the path of excessive consumption.
During the 2016 US Election, undecided voters were targeted and bombarded with negative Clinton (much of which was false) and pro trump political ads. Studies show that this played a significant role in DJT's victory, and that Russia had a hand in it.<p>If Facebook did not allow such deep personalized ad targeting then this strategy would not have been effective.<p>Look into: Cambridge Analytica Scandal
Regulation, probably. Also, because even the smallest amount of information about a certain user is enough. And since everyone and their mother in the market <i>shares</i> their info between themselves there's really no incentive to "fix" it.
System is optimized not to show you things you will engage/like, but expected value:<p>Expected value = your engagement chance x revenue from engagement<p>This formula making it to run in more ‘exploit’ state then ‘explore
At least one famous example<p>- A young - under 18 - woman aborted. She didn't want her family to know<p>- Her father received a "Congratulations for the newborn, grandpa" spam<p>This is wrong - perfectly - just because an ad database <i>secretly</i> knows/deduces/infer/collects/steals that you're a "star wars sex toys" fan does NOT mean it should be allowed to propose you some or to yell it at the face of the earth
Not a single answer explain why targeted ads, legally and competently used, are in principle bad. Of course, like any technology it is not perfect and can be used for bad purposes or straightforwardly abused. That is obviously not the issue.