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Why are boys academically underperforming? [audio]

126 点作者 respinal超过 4 年前

25 条评论

Noos超过 4 年前
A big issue is that boys read less than girls overall.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;education&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2018&#x2F;09&#x2F;why-girls-are-better-reading-boys&#x2F;571429&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;education&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2018&#x2F;09&#x2F;why-gi...</a><p>Boys read for pleasure much less and apparently don&#x27;t read as well as girls when they do: they use less challenging books and skip&#x2F;skim more. In general somehow reading has seemed to grow more gendered over time; if you go into the average chain bookstore its apparent that its heavily targeted towards women, and something like Amazon&#x27;s free Prime reads are often almost entirely women-targeted genre selections.<p>Young adult books for example are targeted almost entirely towards teen girls now, and even manga or comic books seem focused on the female market in increasing amounts.<p>Jon Scieszka, a kids author, noticed this over fifteen years ago and started guys read, a website trying to encourage boys to do so and raise awareness about it. But it seems to have stalled, and I don&#x27;t hear a lot of talk about the feminization of reading.<p>I really think that this is a major part of why boys fall behind. Reading in general is the basis of learning, and boys over time have moved away. There&#x27;s always been cultural resistance against &quot;book-larning&quot; but its weird how gendered reading itself has become lately.
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blahblahblogger超过 4 年前
I haven&#x27;t listened to this yet, but am wondering if the gender gap in teaching could be an issue?<p>I work in tech where the gender disparity between men and women is discussed very often -- but I don&#x27;t see these conversations taking place amongst teachers, most especially for earlier primary education which is more female than male.<p>Maybe there is a bias here or maybe women teachers have teaching styles that resonate with female students more. It definitely needs more attention.
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AndrewKemendo超过 4 年前
Isn&#x27;t this literally the explicit goal of the girls&#x2F;women in stem and education movement?<p>UNESCO [1], World Bank [2], Unicef [3] have specific goal programs here.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.unesco.org&#x2F;new&#x2F;en&#x2F;natural-sciences&#x2F;priority-areas&#x2F;gender-and-science&#x2F;improving-measurement-of-gender-equality-in-stem&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.unesco.org&#x2F;new&#x2F;en&#x2F;natural-sciences&#x2F;priority-areas...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.worldbank.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;topic&#x2F;girlseducation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.worldbank.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;topic&#x2F;girlseducation</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.unicef.org&#x2F;education&#x2F;girls-education" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.unicef.org&#x2F;education&#x2F;girls-education</a>
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croh超过 4 年前
As society, humanity still lacks a proper vision and far away from calling a modern society. Same problem persists under different disguises e.g. Gender based policies, religion based policies, cast based policies, region based policies. You name it. There are people who suffer for being in minority and then there are people who take advantage of being in minority.<p>- Why only black lives matters, what about white people, asians and many others? Why do we scare to say &#x27;all lives matter&#x27; ?<p>- Why only &#x27;lets girls to get code&#x27;, what about boys and trans ? Why do we scare to say &#x27;lets get everyone to code&#x27; ?<p>- Why do countries identify themselves with a single religion ? Why can&#x27;t we respect the all religions ?<p>In this well connected world, the price of being politcally incorrect could be huge. People are so scared to say right things and get shunned publicly. We should not create our policies based on phobias, stigmas and to allur particular votebank, but for universal integration.<p>Let&#x27;s have first right vision. It needs a real courage to say the right things and more to do the same.
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hyko超过 4 年前
This was widely being talked about at least thirty years ago.<p>The elephant in the room is that Boys’ academic underperformance is tied to class, and thus resolving the issue has gone nowhere, because there’s no such thing as class and because the responsibility for all under-achievement therefore lies with the individual.
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grenoire超过 4 年前
Just gave the whole thing a listen, it doesn&#x27;t seem to add more to the discussion than what is already known (to people who&#x27;ve been following the discussion, at least). The most critical point seems to be the social aspect: Boys ostracize academically successful boys, and therefore boys are afraid to be seen as academically successful. Other minor social factors seem to be that teaching methods unintentionally disparage boys who weren&#x27;t academically successful, often by creating competitive environments where they fall into a failing feedback loop and just quit participating in the competition altogether.<p>It ends on a note saying that the way to fix is by acknowledging the fact that boys are falling behind, and adjusting our teaching methods and schools&#x27; social environments.
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balls187超过 4 年前
This was true when I was in grade school as well (late 80&#x27;s-90&#x27;s).<p>Prior to puberty, nearly all the top performing students were girls. After puberty, boys were more represented.<p>The theory I heard was societal pressure in the US was higher on girls to be &quot;liked&quot; and accepted, and that girls felt that doing well in school was counter to that. Girls would stop focusing on performance and ultimately move towards the center of the curve.<p>Pressure to be liked, and antithetical attitudes towards academic performance also applied to boys as well, but to a lesser degree.
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WhompingWindows超过 4 年前
I taught in public schools and studied pediatric ADHD. From those experiences, I found boys had a number of disadvantages. First off, they are more motor-hyperactive, they move, fidget, get out of their chairs: their very neurochemistry develops differently, making them less adept at the &quot;sit still and write notes&quot; aspect of school.<p>This isn&#x27;t &quot;bad parenting&quot; or &quot;overdiagnosis of ADHD&quot; by the way, the brain of a young male develops differently, specifically their pre-frontal cortex (executive function, how to behave&#x2F;regulate oneself) develops much slower, whereas the motor-neural cortex is overly developed, relative to girls.<p>Beyond any developmental difference in the sexes, there&#x27;s culture. Where I taught, the South and West sides of Chicago, any troubled boy was more likely to join a gang, sell drugs, commit violence, etc. These poor boys could be jumped and beaten for living on the wrong street. One student was having anger issues, his cousin got killed, he had latent anger issues which prevented prioritization of school work. Another common issue: his father is gone, he&#x27;s switching homes constantly, there&#x27;s no stability to facilitate the slow, incremental progress that is school and learning.<p>Beyond sheer dangerous problems like the above, I&#x27;d say boys channel their effort into sports and gaming more, whereas the girls I taught were more concerned with social circles, popularity, social media, etc. Question, do we think gaming is &quot;better&quot; for mental health than social media? If so, boys may be advantaged, I recall my boy students used their Chromebook to play this bubble game where their bubbles had to chase and eat other students&#x27; bubbles: very benign and strategic.<p>There is a change that happens around puberty, when I was in seventh grade I noticed it acutely. Students transition from caring what their authority figures think (teachers&#x2F;parents) to caring what their peers think (friends). This leads to a degradation in class morale, unity, and overall drive and focus to follow the teacher&#x27;s lesson. It was crazy that the 5th graders could stare at me doe-eyed as I explained volcanoes and robotics, but the 7th and 8th graders just zoned out on their hidden phones (god, that&#x27;s a huge issue as well) or incessantly talked to one another.<p>Edit: There&#x27;s a bit of discussion of &quot;overdiagnosis&quot; or &quot;misdiagnosis&quot; of ADHD. This is a complex issue, but I will say I don&#x27;t think anecdata is constructive here. By blaming bad parenting or video games or candy, we ignore the reams of data which show that many children can not focus and struggle MIGHTILY due to this.<p>Children with ADHD have less friends, less academic success, more likelihood to abuse drugs, like alcohol, marijuana, cocaine&#x2F;nicotine (their dopaminergic system is uniquely vulnerable to stimulants). This is a sad trajectory for these kids, and I think we should consider carefully before we blanket accuse the medical system of overdiagnosis or misdiagnosis.
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BaronVonSteuben超过 4 年前
Could it be that girls get tons of encouragement, accolades, and praise when they do something, but when boys do they&#x27;re told it&#x27;s just their privilege that made them succeed?<p>In our current school there are 3 STEM programs for girls, one that is for both boys and girls. One of the programs for girls is very well funded by local startup money and gets designers, marketers, etc to make them fun. The one for both boys and girls is volunteer run and while I respect and appreciate the effort, frankly it not fun and exciting at all. It&#x27;s little better than someone just handing you a textbook to read.<p>I&#x27;m all for making STEM (coding especially) inclusive and welcoming for all. Nobody should face discrimination or harassment based on gender (or any other attribute). Unfortunately it&#x27;s the boys getting the shaft right now. I can&#x27;t imagine the outrage that would happen if someone started a &quot;boys only&quot; program, yet it almost seems like that&#x27;s what needs to happen. We&#x27;re back to the days of striving for &quot;separate but equal.&quot;
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smartkiddo超过 4 年前
I come from Kenya, and this thing is already apparent. If you what is happening in our country, the new constitution mandates gender equality. So, what is happening is this, tribes, such as mine, which do not favor men over women, have many highly educated women. Therefore, when government jobs are being distributed, I am at disadvantage. Men from other tribes are hired but to comply with gender equality, women from our tribes are hired to our exclusion. So, people like me have lost opportunities. This gender thing is kinda discriminatory. We need to think about it more carefully.
im3w1l超过 4 年前
The high level story is that men were doing better in society, so feminists tried to change that but they overcompensated which lead to boys starting to do worse.<p>It should also be mentioned that young men are now doing worse than young women in the workplace. That&#x27;s because this is a generational thing. When millenials are 50, then 50 year old men will do worse than 50 year old women.<p>How specifically was this accomplished? Well many small actions were taken. So it&#x27;s hard to pinpoint which one exactly it is. Women are favored both with explicit policies to favor them, as well as by being given more consideration when policies are designed (&quot;How will this affect women&quot;). Hence I don&#x27;t think there is one big thing that needs fixing, rather it&#x27;s many small things. And doing so will take a long time, decades possibly.
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dageshi超过 4 年前
I have always wondered if girls knowledge that they&#x27;re likely to want a child some day factors into this. That is it gives them a timeframe (between late 20&#x27;s and late 30&#x27;s say) that they kinda know they want to be in a position to have a child and working back from that they need to get an education and begin a career.<p>It gives them almost a timescale to plan against and boys have nothing similar in the biological sense.<p>I genuinely have no clue if it actually holds any weight, just something I&#x27;ve always been curious about.
longtom超过 4 年前
tl;dl:<p>* Sex differences in general intelligence are small, so the F&gt;M achievement gap in higher education likely is not explained by women being smarter.<p>* The gap emerges already in elementary school and the gap in elementary school is predictive of performance in higher education.<p>* The gap in elementary school is not new, and can likely be attributed to females maturing earlier in their attention skills and being less unruly.<p>* So girls&#x2F;women may have always been more fit for school, but they lacked incentives to make something of themselves and were held back by their biology in earlier times.<p>* What is new is a strong incentive for girls to succeed in school due to the economic opportunities and reduced investment in the children and birth (e.g. birth control).<p>* The gap mainly exists in lower-to-middle income families, not so much higher income, so a good environment can presumably aid boys to be more focused, or boys may be more sensitive to a poor environment.<p>* It concludes with anecdotes by a teacher about how a return to more manly competition may not actually be helpful for boys as it discourages slow learners. Rather, boys should be more supported, and they need to get over the stereotype that nerdiness and conscientiousness is for the girls. Plus the topic of boys falling behind should not be a taboo.
andi999超过 4 年前
I attended the opening ceremony of the international physics Olympics, and it was interesting to see the gender distribution of the teams. Most western countries had 0-1 female in a team of 5. Countries traditionally perceived as less gender equal had more. I remember Kuwait having an all girls team.
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08-15超过 4 年前
Are girls actually outperforming boys academically?<p>It&#x27;s repeated a few times, that girls attend college more often than boys, and achieve higher grades. But college is a broad term; you can study electrical engineering or gender studies and get a master&#x27;s degree either way, yet these are very different fields and require very different skills. Relatively more girls pick gender studies over electrical engineering.<p>It&#x27;s possible that boys outperform girls in every single field, but averaged over all fields, it appears the other way around (Simpson&#x27;s Paradox). I wonder if there is any data that shows girls&#x27; superior performance broken down by field.
bondarchuk超过 4 年前
Girls are more well-organised, and diligent, better at planning etc. Don&#x27;t know why this would be a surprise to anyone. Apologies in advance for not beating around the bush.
7OVO7超过 4 年前
these are those articles that in Italy are interpreted as media spam propaganda: women are smarter than men. misleading and inconsistent, and not because I am a male, but because as there are males intellectually superior to other females, there are inevitably females intellectually superior to males, and it is absolutely random and chaotic. if we then discuss what favors or disadvantages the intellect, it is quite another matter.
jvreagan超过 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=OFpYj0E-yb4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=OFpYj0E-yb4</a><p>Old news. Been happening for decades, by design.
throwmylifawy超过 4 年前
As with all of these types of posts there are those who complain about how women (or insert any protected class) have unfair advantages. They seem to see the world as a zero sum. If anyone class has an advantage, the other class will be disadvantaged.<p>The proposed solution is usually to do a blind audition. If you don&#x27;t know anything about the candidate there is no discrimination. However this seems to have a major flaw. How do you account for all of the disadvantages that occurred before or might occur after the blind audition?
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thower234324234超过 4 年前
Is this new ? It happens routinely in India IIRC (though the stats are flipped for entrance exams).
99_00超过 4 年前
Why isn&#x27;t the answer: females are more intelligent than males.
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slumdev超过 4 年前
Boys require more physical activity. They&#x27;re just wired for it. Sitting at a desk for hours on end is incompatible with their physiology. Sitting like that isn&#x27;t good for girls, either, but they seem to cope better. Schooling, as it is widely administered today, is not humane. It&#x27;s not that it benefits one sex. It&#x27;s that it hurts one more than it hurts the other.<p>If you have a boy who&#x27;s on the verge of failing because he can&#x27;t pay attention, make a serious effort to get him <i>several hours</i> of moderate or intense physical activity every day.<p>You&#x27;ll see a world of difference.
yters超过 4 年前
I enjoyed homeschooling much more than public school. Both contain subjects that seem irrelevant, but with homeschool I could knock all that out quickly and move onto my favorite activities of reading, coding and playing outside. Then I went to public school and spent hours bored out of my mind because I didn&#x27;t understand why different subjects mattered, and some seemed to be indoctrination which was both annoying and boring at the same time.<p>I like the older approach of emphasizing reading writing &#x27;rithmetic, and then teaching practical skills and classics. All obviously relevant skills and knowledge for everyone.
trianglem超过 4 年前
The school system is not built for men. Shorter attention spans, highly spontaneous behavior, attracted to large displays of prominence and a lack of rewards for creativity and abstract thinking. All of these are deliberately crushed either through regulation or more recently drugs.
nprz超过 4 年前
Probably because boys are more often diagnosed with ADHD compared to girls.
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