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U.S. Bill H.R.69 introduced – To make daylight savings time permanent

345 点作者 mdm12超过 4 年前

39 条评论

baxter001超过 4 年前
Almost a yearly tradition: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.congress.gov&#x2F;search?q={%22source%22:%22legislation%22,%22search%22:%22daylight%20savings%20time%22}&amp;searchResultViewType=expanded" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.congress.gov&#x2F;search?q={%22source%22:%22legislati...</a>
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Wowfunhappy超过 4 年前
This is the wrong direction, we should be on <i>standard</i> time year round! Daylight saving time gives you more daylight during the hours people are awake, but only because it forces everyone to wake up earlier!<p>We already have major issues with e.g. making teenagers wake up earlier than most of their bodies are tuned for at that age. How much worse is it going to be if they have to get up an hour <i>earlier</i> in the winter? (Remember: what our bodies consider &quot;early&quot; is dependent on when the sun rises, and not the numbers we put on our clocks.)<p>And just to top it off, you&#x27;ll be forcing a lot of kids to walk to school in the dark.<p>---<p>Edit: To be clear, it&#x27;s not just children!<p>On weekends and holidays when people don&#x27;t have to work, how much of the population do you think wakes up right when the sun rises, in order to maximize their daylight? I certainly don&#x27;t have any data on this, but I would guess a large majority take the opportunity to sleep in.<p>Having extra daylight seems really nice at first, and it is. Unfortunately, shifting clocks doesn&#x27;t actually create more sun, it just creates a societal mandate. My view is that we <i>already</i> start our workdays too early, particularly when you take commute times into account.
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elmerfud超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m not a fan of the clock shifting twice a year but perhaps someone can explain why they&#x27;d make daylight savings permanent instead of just abolishing it?<p>Covid-19 has shown that stores&#x2F;businesses are perfectly capable of adjusting their hours and people have minimal issues handing that change. Why not just standard time everywhere. Seems like more mucking about for &quot;reasons&quot;.
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benlivengood超过 4 年前
About the only thing that people truly synchronize on is that lunch is around noon, but practically there&#x27;s an hour of flexibility on when people actually eat. When is the official time for work to start or end? Maybe 7, 8, or 9? Office work seems to end around 5 or 6. School starts sometime between 6 and 10 AM depending on grade and locale.<p>My point is that there already is no standard wake&#x2F;sleep schedule. Noon may be the tightest bound on when people all want to be doing the same thing, but importantly that happens <i>after everyone is already awake</i> so picking DST or ST is arbitrary.<p>People who want sunset or sunrise to occur earlier or later in the day have a conflict coordinating with other people in their life, not a problem with official timezones. Maybe pick your job and school district based on start times instead.<p>I&#x27;m happy to jump on the first bandwagon that gets rid of seasonal changes to timezones.
mensetmanusman超过 4 年前
Didn’t know how much more annoying day light savings could be until I had small children in the house.<p>You spend so much time trying to schedule bedtime for everyone’s sanity. Having an hour screw up the schedule because they aren’t tired or over sleepy is very annoying (for about a week).
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f154hfds超过 4 年前
Forgive my ignorance - but what&#x27;s stopping employers&#x2F;employees&#x2F;schools from shifting their working hours instead? Doesn&#x27;t that seem less drastic and extreme (and easier for a government to implement)?
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jschulenklopper超过 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jcsm.aasm.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.5664&#x2F;jcsm.8780" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jcsm.aasm.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.5664&#x2F;jcsm.8780</a><p>“Although chronic effects of remaining in daylight saving time year-round have not been well studied, daylight saving time is less aligned with human circadian biology—which, due to the impacts of the delayed natural light&#x2F;dark cycle on human activity, could result in circadian misalignment, which has been associated in some studies with increased cardiovascular disease risk, metabolic syndrome and other health risks. It is, therefore, the position of the American Academy of Sleep Medicine that these seasonal time changes should be abolished in favor of a fixed, national, year-round standard time.”
frankus超过 4 年前
The whole reason we have time zones is so that midday (12:00) happens somewhat close to the middle of the day, and that midnight happens somewhat close to the middle of the night.<p>I&#x27;m not sure what shifting everyone&#x27;s timezone east accomplishes. My hunch is we&#x27;ll all adapt by shifting activities&#x2F;business hours&#x2F;school hours and then instead of griping that &quot;It&#x27;s only X o&#x27;clock and the sun is already setting&quot; we&#x27;ll be griping that &quot;It&#x27;s only X+1 o&#x27;clock and the sun is already setting&quot; and people will start proposing &quot;permanent daylight + 1&quot; time.
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kibwen超过 4 年前
Looks like it actually is easier to ask the government to shift the whole country&#x27;s time zones rather than successfully ask employers to let their employees shift their schedule an hour earlier, which would have the same effect.
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runarberg超过 4 年前
I really think that the ruling class should think about this carefully before moving on with this. It is a very popular issue, and I’m sure they would gain a lot of political capital by moving this through, as many people support this. However they need to do this carefully.<p>There are some health questions unanswered. And some research is needed before they do this. Sleep is important and sleep deprivation is a thing that affects some portion of the working class, and some portion of school children. Before they take this step, they should know the effect this would have on the sleep behavior of this population. If moving to a permanent DST would further disrupt the sleep cycle of this population, the result could be dangerous.<p>I really hope that the ruling class consults public health experts, and asks for research and goes with their recommendation which is based on that research rather then simply going by what people think they want. Sleep is to important to be messed with and disrupted because of a rushed—but popular—decision.
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cafard超过 4 年前
In the winter of 1973-1974, after the oil shock, the government declared winter-time DST. I did not care for it. I was carpooling to school with up to five other persons, arriving at campus when it was just light at 8 am.<p>Some portion of Congress suffers from the superstition that DST saves energy. It does not appear that there is a cure for this.
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vhodges超过 4 年前
My .02... My body seems to be on Summer time anyways (ie in the winter I am up at 4am instead of 5am) and crashing at 7:30-8:00pm (instead of 9pm) so I prefer permanent DST (which BC, WA, OR and CA have all agreed to in principle).
asciimov超过 4 年前
I really don&#x27;t care which time they pick as long as we pick one and stick to it.
bearjaws超过 4 年前
Will be fun to see all the poorly implemented handling of DST in software implode.
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zentiggr超过 4 年前
Let&#x27;s just skip the standard&#x2F;DST debate entirely...<p>&lt;sarcasm&gt;Sunrise is 0800, for each time zone. The daily clock runs from there until next sunrise, when it resets to 0800 from whatever time it reached.<p>Now no one has a consistent local time, and we&#x27;ll run on UTC +-x if the precise time is needed, and on local sunrise clocks for everyday scheduling and time telling.<p>There&#x27;s a consistent amount of snlight in the morning so people can choose when to get up relative to sunrise, and SAD people &#x2F; evening sun people get what they want when there actually IS sun to be had. &lt;&#x2F;sarcasm&gt;
xyst超过 4 年前
Slight off topic - How do you all get your representatives to support or not support specific bills in the house and senate? Is e-mailing and calling them enough?
oblio超过 4 年前
Meanwhile, in the EU: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2019&#x2F;mar&#x2F;26&#x2F;european-parliament-votes-to-scrap-daylight-saving-time-from-2021" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2019&#x2F;mar&#x2F;26&#x2F;european-parli...</a>
kdtop超过 4 年前
Well, there goes my garden. Messing with the hours of sunlight screws the plant&#x27;s growth all up... :-\
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gpm超过 4 年前
&gt; and for other purposes.<p><i>sigh</i>
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fareesh超过 4 年前
If this were to happen, how many systems are out there in the wild that have some quirky implementation of handling DST which will result in weird behavior?<p>I remember seeing the built-in tick on CircleMUD go crazy if you were online at midnight during the switch.
a3n超过 4 年前
&quot;But what about the cows!&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;duckduckgo.com&#x2F;?q=cows+milk+daylight+saving+time&amp;t=fpas&amp;ia=web" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;duckduckgo.com&#x2F;?q=cows+milk+daylight+saving+time&amp;t=f...</a>
spullara超过 4 年前
I can&#x27;t wait to have DST year round in CA. Standard time is awful.
spacemanmatt超过 4 年前
Daylight changes. Shall we change the time that everything happens by altering the schedule or the time scale?
annoyingnoob超过 4 年前
I don&#x27;t really care which way we go permanently, be we should stop flipping the clocks twice a year.
briznian超过 4 年前
I say split the difference and permanently set the time forward 30 minutes. Then never change it again.
swimmadude66超过 4 年前
nice
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bjt2n3904超过 4 年前
Come senators, congressmen Please heed the call! For the times, they are a changin&#x27;!
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Balgair超过 4 年前
Edit: I was wrong! My apologies!
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amir734jj超过 4 年前
Daylight saving should be eliminated for good! it causes more hassle instead of doing good. I work at a large financial company and we have tons of jobs and data-sources that need to run in sync. Everyone at my department is on stand-by when there is a day light saving. I get PTSD thinking about it.
clajiness超过 4 年前
The government can&#x27;t even call it what it is; Daylight saving time.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Daylight_saving_time" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Daylight_saving_time</a>
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gojomo超过 4 年前
A good 1st step, then abolish US time zones. Works for China &amp; India!<p>(While all the normies are groggy, it should then be easy to slip a change to nationwide UTC in as the coup de grace.)
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_qulr超过 4 年前
Fiddling with the clocks while Rome burns.
hiimtroymclure超过 4 年前
unpopular opinion - I like daylight savings. its the closest thing I have to &#x27;seasons&#x27; in my state.
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jschulenklopper超过 4 年前
They tried that in Russia (!)... and quickly reverted it.<p>“On Tuesday, July 1, 2014, the Russian State Duma voted to end the widely unpopular permanent &quot;summer time&quot; in Russia. President Vladimir Putin signed the law on July 22, 2014.”<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.timeanddate.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;time&#x2F;russia-abandons-permanent-summer-time.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.timeanddate.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;time&#x2F;russia-abandons-perman...</a>
ohyes超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m against this because it will require software changes.
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disown超过 4 年前
Just pick one and stick to it. Enough with the flipping back and forth already.
Mountain_Skies超过 4 年前
Why not make 11 the maximum volume on the amp?
sampo超过 4 年前
Small link dump to some research. They compare people living near the western and eastern borders of their timezones. All results point to same direction: Living near the western border of your timezone correlates with more health problems.<p>Permanent daylight saving time would increase these health problems. It is the wrong way to go. Permanent daylight saving time maybe appeals to intuition, but this is empirical research, and it points to the opposite direction.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pubmed&#x2F;21231877" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pubmed&#x2F;21231877</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cebp.aacrjournals.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;cebp&#x2F;26&#x2F;8&#x2F;1306.full.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cebp.aacrjournals.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;cebp&#x2F;26&#x2F;8&#x2F;1306.full.pdf</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;article&#x2F;abs&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S0167629618309718" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;article&#x2F;abs&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S01676...</a><p>Same: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.econ.pitt.edu&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;WP%2017-009.upload.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.econ.pitt.edu&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;WP%2017-009.up...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pubmed&#x2F;29636342" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pubmed&#x2F;29636342</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.researchgate.net&#x2F;publication&#x2F;276058441_The_incidence_of_winter_depression_varies_within_time_zone" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.researchgate.net&#x2F;publication&#x2F;276058441_The_incid...</a>
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echelon超过 4 年前
Congress is finally doing something amazing!<p>Summertime daylight hours are so much more enjoyable than the winter doldrums.<p>Nobody cares where the sun is in the sky at noon. That was always location dependent anyway.<p>This pushes us out of the farming era and into one where we care about workers&#x27; and businesses&#x27; qualify of life.<p>Amazing job, Congress!<p>Pass it!
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