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What I Use Instead of Google

294 点作者 kmclean超过 4 年前

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dhimes超过 4 年前
Google&#x27;s gotten weird. Yesterday I was doing some keyword planning and got a negative (-) cpc and cost. I looked everywhere to try to determine what that meant and didn&#x27;t find anything.<p>They have online chat support, so I tried that. I got routed to a sales rep who called me on the phone and who, after taking all my information while basically ignoring my question, finally heard me. She didn&#x27;t know the answer.<p>She sent me a support link which was the same one that routed me to her. I told her this and all she could say was she was sorry and she couldn&#x27;t help unless I was ready to launch a campaign.<p>I honestly don&#x27;t think she knew anything. I&#x27;m suspicious that these are indy workers getting routed prospects by Google. I don&#x27;t know. The whole thing was sleazy.<p>Years ago when I managed to get someone on the line she stayed with me until my problem was solved. And this wasn&#x27;t even a problem (or maybe it was? wouldn&#x27;t be the first bug I found on their site). I was just asking a question.
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wtmt超过 4 年前
&gt; Maps → Apple maps<p>If Apple were a different company, it would&#x27;ve made maps available for use on web browsers and non-Apple devices. That could also help in a more rapid improvement of maps as opposed to the mostly-useless state it&#x27;s been in (except for a few countries and regions in certain countries that Apple likes and works more on).<p>&gt; and still a little YouTube (anonymously in a Firefox container)<p>If a Firefox Container is an option, then I&#x27;d rather prefer Startpage to DDG for search. Most of the time, I end up performing the search on DDG at least twice (the second time with a bang command to go to Startpage or Google) or I have a heuristic that DDG won&#x27;t help and just go to the other search engines.<p>&gt; DNS → Cloudflare DNS<p>Others to consider are Quad9 (9.9.9.9) and NextDNS (if you want ad and tracker blocking lists to be configured at the DNS level, sorta like a Pi-Hole, but on the cloud).<p>&gt; I feel like I&#x27;ve won a lot by doing all this. I own my data now, so Google can&#x27;t arbitrarily take it away from me, which gives me peace of mind. I&#x27;m no longer part of their ad ecosystem, being tracked all around the internet and having my attention sold to the highest bidder.<p>The &quot;Google can&#x27;t arbitrarily take it away&quot; is a good argument, but &quot;I&#x27;m no longer part of their ad ecosystem, being tracked all around the internet&quot; requires a lot more effort than just avoiding using google.com, youtube.com, gmail.com, etc. I&#x27;m not saying that the current transitions are useless, but that there&#x27;s more to it.
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blisterpeanuts超过 4 年前
When it comes to technology, people prefer one-stop shopping. Google&#x27;s email, mapping, mobile OS, search, calendars, video, photos are all free and best-of-class or at least good enough to be satisfactory to 80% of the people, who think they&#x27;re getting a bargain even as they put more and more of their personal information in Google&#x27;s hands.<p>It seems as though there&#x27;s no way to break this voluntary-monopoly. Waze came along with brilliant innovations like BLE devices monitoring traffic in underpasses etc. (my company makes some of the devices they use) and finding best alternative routes, and an innovative UX, so Google simply bought them, problem solved.<p>There&#x27;s a whole menagerie of alternatives to Youtube, but they&#x27;re like ants next to an elephant. And of course, Youtube itself was bought by Google; they&#x27;ve advanced it technically, but it was better in the old days, less censorship and better remuneration for creators.<p>Like a lot of other techies, I&#x27;ve switched to DDG for searches and I don&#x27;t really miss Google search. Probably I use !g about once or twice a month.<p>It seems to me there&#x27;s lots of opportunities to improve on Google&#x27;s offerings; Apple seems uninterested in competing head-to-head aside from its mobile phone OS, but there are still innovations out there waiting to be discovered. Perhaps some here will be among those future billionaires, giving us better alternatives to The Goog which in my opinion has gotten a little too big for its britches.
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dmytton超过 4 年前
Moving large numbers of files - like the 50k of Google Photos the author mentions - can be done using <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rclone.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rclone.org</a>. Set up Google Photos as a source and then use the copy command to move it to a different location[1]. There are a lot of different commands which work with many different cloud storage systems e.g. sync everything one way locally to a backup, mount a FUSE filesystem, do two-way sync, etc.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rclone.org&#x2F;commands&#x2F;rclone_copy&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rclone.org&#x2F;commands&#x2F;rclone_copy&#x2F;</a>
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executesorder66超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve been looking for something like sync.com but free and opensource. Does such a thing exist?<p>I&#x27;m planning on setting up my own nextcloud server, and they also have their own file manager system (Nextcloud Files), which is great for keeping files in sync across devices.<p>And although it&#x27;s nice to edit a text file that&#x27;s stored on a cloud server from any of your devices, I want to be able to use more powerful desktop applications to edit&#x2F;organize other files. e.g. beets for music, digikam for bulk organizing the directory structure of my photos. Darktable for editing photos.<p>Does anyone know of a workflow that lets me do all the organizing&#x2F;editing on a desktop, but still keep it all in sync with my other devices via a cloud server?
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iou超过 4 年前
An extra degoogling<p>Google Keep -&gt; Joplin (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joplinapp.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joplinapp.org&#x2F;</a>)<p>I tried a lot of note taking apps and liked this one for its simplicity (just markdown) and cross platform support. Then just store sync it all either via boxcryptor or nextcloud.
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yeuxardents超过 4 年前
This is a business opportunity to provide services at a minimal cost for people. Say 1$ per month per service.<p>Email - 1$<p>Calendar - 1$<p>Document Collab - 1$<p>Each addon a calculated minimalist approach to each. I still recall what gmail was when it was invite only back in the early aughts. I would still utilize that gmail client. I do NOT need gmail as it is today. And I would certainly pay 1$ per month for that service.<p>(E) For a minimal and basic interface, along with a low cost, I and certainly others that I know who are tech illiterate, would pay that low cost for simplicity + privacy.
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uniqueid超过 4 年前
The thing this article doesn&#x27;t cover is that while you can (and imo <i>should</i>) make all these changes, Google will <i>still</i> track much of what you do online.<p>The internet is rotten with linked media, amp pages, blogs, and ads hosted on Google servers.<p>If you want off Google, you should use something like Pi-hole to lessen that. Since it&#x27;s DNS level only, I imagine even that won&#x27;t make you invisible to Google.<p>This was a great read, but Google has a million other ways to collect data about you, against your will. That deserves a mention.
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logicchains超过 4 年前
I try to use Bing for all my searches (set it as the browser default), but at least a third of the time I end up needing to open Google and search there instead. Anyone got any tips for getting better results out of Bing? It doesn&#x27;t help that when I&#x27;m using a VPN, searching for an English term often causes Bing to deliver a bunch of results in the native language of the place the VPN is located, rather than in English.
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vinni2超过 4 年前
Every time I try to get out of google they (my colleagues) pull me back in. They share documents in google docs and google drive. I have no choice but to keep my google account.
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powersnail超过 4 年前
&gt; I suspect means it [DDG] would be a perfectly fine replacement for most people<p>I suspect otherwise. DDG is as good as Google in certain topics, especially programming-related topics. But otherwise, not so good. Sometimes, it feels like it simply has indexed less pages than Google.<p>But I still use DDG as much as possible, only !g when the results are unsatisfactory. I don&#x27;t know how much it actually help DDG, though, since it doesn&#x27;t seem to get much better over the past few years.
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ericholscher超过 4 年前
We’re trying to build a competitor to Google ads, targeted at developers: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ethicalads.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ethicalads.io&#x2F;</a><p>As developers we understand the most how privacy is violated across the Internet. If we can’t contribute to the change in the ecosystem, we don’t have much hope for the rest of the industry.
idownvoted超过 4 年前
As an aside: As more and more techies repeatedly fail to decouple their digital belongings from Google‘s infrastructure, it should become clear how strong the lock-in effect of cloud services is in general and in particular their proper UX.<p>EG.: one of gmails main selling points always was the „available anywhere“ web interface and its quick, and useful search.
mattvot超过 4 年前
I did something similar a few weeks ago and found that <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rclone.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rclone.org&#x2F;</a> worked for me to automatically port Google Photos data to a Nextcloud instance with WebDAV. That being said, it cannot pull the original quality images, only the compressed version.
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cbradford超过 4 年前
Here is a similar write up on how to exit google<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scorchedweb.com&#x2F;uncategorized&#x2F;exit-the-goolag&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scorchedweb.com&#x2F;uncategorized&#x2F;exit-the-goolag&#x2F;</a>
karlzt超过 4 年前
Recommendations for good, helpful, non-toxic tools: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;goodreports.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;goodreports.com&#x2F;</a>
mcwoods超过 4 年前
Problem is on the phone side. There is a duopoly; Apple or Google. Neither is great. We should be able to have control over this, as it is increasingly being the way in which the majority of the public have access to their information (photos, docs, etc).<p>Same on the desktop we have MS, Apple.<p>Yes Linux (variations) are available on both, more so on desktop, but not a real possibility for most consumes.
iou超过 4 年前
&gt; GoogleDNS -&gt; CloudflareDNS<p>It&#x27;s better for sure, just from trying a couple (OpenDns, cloudflare, quad9) I really love the offering from nextDNS<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nextdns.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nextdns.io</a><p>It somewhat smashes together the features of pi-hole and opendns with the features like DoT or DoH as you get in cloudflare
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johnmpage超过 4 年前
Your list neglects a huge data vacuum, scooping up your personal data: the Android OS on your phone, which Google develops. My recommendation to replace: eOS by the eFoundation (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;e.foundation&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;e.foundation&#x2F;</a>)
mro_name超过 4 年前
Chapeau, good move. Your honesty is impressive.<p>IMO paying money and thus enabling humane businesses to thrive is key.
cosmotic超过 4 年前
If you have to use Chrome for selenium; use a docker container <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hub.docker.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;selenium&#x2F;standalone-chrome" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hub.docker.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;selenium&#x2F;standalone-chrome</a>
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zan5hin超过 4 年前
Instead of Google Analytics look at Matomo. Since you are self-hosting Nextcloud, standing up a self-hosted Matomo instance won&#x27;t be difficult. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;matomo.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;matomo.org</a>
dusted超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m all for getting out of the cloud, but moving from one company, to multiple other companies seems to have achieved nothing but diversify and multiply the amount of terms you&#x27;ve had to agree to (they will all tell you the same thing in the end: if they block your account, or lose your data, it&#x27;s your problem).<p>The only real solution is self-hosting[1], which is becoming a bit difficult with email these days.<p>[1] No, a rented server in some datacenter is not self-hosting, self-hosting is when you can walk into a room and point to the box that stores your mail.
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Netcob超过 4 年前
That little downtime recently that in some places looked like Google had deleted my account got me quite a shock and made me re-evaluate my dependence on Google too.<p>For anyone looking for a simple self-hosted file sync system I&#x27;d recommend Seafile though. It has delta sync (like Dropbox) and great performance. I finally switched to it after years of increasing frustration with Nextcloud, which has none of these things.
JAlexoid超过 4 年前
Moving to Apple Maps is basically stabbing yourself in the face.<p>OSM would be a better solution.<p>If only an email service as good as Gmail existed anywhere on this planet :(
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bluGill超过 4 年前
Has anyone compared all the photo alternatives? I need a good place to store my family photos and share with my wife.<p>Email and search are easy, email is standard so anyone can do the same features more or less. Search has no lock-in so you can just try whatever. Photos doesn&#x27;t seems to be either, and I don&#x27;t personally want to invest the time to try them all.
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mgh2超过 4 年前
I will suggest a more balanced and practical approach:<p>All of Google’s unethical practices are supported by its advertising business, so the only replacement I will consider is the search engine, but even here there are no good alternatives.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25614705" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25614705</a>
FabHK超过 4 年前
Good recommendations. To minimize Youtube tracking, I use the fantastic `youtube-dl` to get the movie (or only audio) locally, then keep it or discard it as the case may be.
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comeonseriously超过 4 年前
&gt; Maps → Apple maps<p>HERE Maps is good.
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jerheinze超过 4 年前
Using YouTube with Firefox Containers is in no way anonymous. Instead try to use it with the Tor Browser (also checkout the Invidious project).
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rurban超过 4 年前
Re Firefox vs Chrome: On Fedora chrome is unusable with newer video formats, you have to use Firefox. Which is better in all aspects.
perryizgr8超过 4 年前
&gt; Maps → Apple maps<p>I can&#x27;t find Apple maps in the play store. Is there another alternative?
0x53超过 4 年前
I did something extremely similar: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mallocate.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;removing-google&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mallocate.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;removing-google&#x2F;</a>
eating555超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve checked Linode. Why it&#x27;s price is much lower than others like AWS, Azure or GCP? Because of some drawback?
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nurusr12211超过 4 年前
I prefer using the best technology over endless virtue signaling.
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whoknew1122超过 4 年前
Interesting to see what others use. I&#x27;m a bit curious about using CloudFlare&#x27;s DNS though.<p>If you take a stand against Google&#x27;s societal impact, why switch to CloudFlare? CloudFlare&#x27;s &#x27;content neutral&#x27; stance enables a lot of hate speech and other, more disgusting material.<p>It seems odd to have ethical concerns about Google, but not CloudFlare.
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systemvoltage超过 4 年前
Google is such an insane value. $5 you get GSuite, auth, drive, chat, meet, and a bunch of things.<p>Folks that are privacy concious are equally deluded. It&#x27;s marketing and you&#x27;re falling for it. ProtonMail doesn&#x27;t have stellar record for privacy (or any Swiss company in general). There has been several discussions about this on HN, and otherwise where many have compared email services and rated their privacy claims. FastMail seems to be the worst of all. Migadu seems to be good but an extremely bad value for your $.<p>Stick with Google. It&#x27;s not fashionable but a bargain. You&#x27;re commodicized on the internet unless you run your own services. Don&#x27;t let any marketing fool you.<p>I&#x27;d rather be in iron clad hands of Google&#x27;s engineering and security practices than a 30 people company with no fricking clue about security. This is often not part of the discussion.
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