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How WhatsApp works with other Facebook products

329 点作者 woliveirajr超过 4 年前

24 条评论

kace91超过 4 年前
I already knew this but it&#x27;s still fucked.<p>In my country WhatsApp is used for everything from talking to friends through setting up a date with your hairdresser to group activities like school parents groups.<p>There is an expectation that the information you share by someone having your number is very limited - the person that has your number can text you, yes, but they can&#x27;t know about you, and you can limit the small amount of info you let through like your profile picture or your online state using privacy controls.<p>This expectation is completely removed when adding somebody&#x27;s number to your contact list is enough for Facebook to do its magic and reveal the owner in your Facebook friends suggestions.<p>I&#x27;ve had it happen dozens of times, I start texting a tinder match and suddenly her profile is there in my suggestions. It&#x27;s common for it to misfire and I end up being suggested the personal account of the owner of a business I bought something for. They don&#x27;t even need to text you, you add the number to your phone&#x27;s contact list and it&#x27;s there.<p>Facebook needs to be broken apart, and we need a law that the data you share with an app can&#x27;t be used for others period, even more so if they were separate businesses when you started using the service, and a change of policies is not enough - you might already be locked in.
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hadrien01超过 4 年前
<i>&gt; When Facebook notified the acquisition of WhatsApp in 2014, it informed the Commission that it would be unable to establish reliable automated matching between Facebook users&#x27; accounts and WhatsApp users&#x27; accounts. It stated this both in the notification form and in a reply to a request of information from the Commission. However, in August 2016, WhatsApp announced updates to its terms of service and privacy policy, including the possibility of linking WhatsApp users&#x27; phone numbers with Facebook users&#x27; identities.</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ec.europa.eu&#x2F;commission&#x2F;presscorner&#x2F;detail&#x2F;en&#x2F;IP_17_1369" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ec.europa.eu&#x2F;commission&#x2F;presscorner&#x2F;detail&#x2F;en&#x2F;IP_17_...</a>
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doubleorseven超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve deleted my WhatsApp account 2 months ago even though I also live in a country where WhatsApp is mandatory.<p>How am I doing so far: * I miss a lot of work stuff even though some update me on the important stuff through Signal. * I lost contact with friends I can&#x27;t communicate with anymore. * I feel that I have more free time to focus on my family and close friends. Probably because my neighbors can&#x27;t sneak into my head with things that don&#x27;t really effect me. * The frequency I check my phone dropped by 80%. * Since I closed my instagram account and Facebook acount 8 years ago, I am now &quot;Zuckerberg free&quot;.<p>It&#x27;s hard but It&#x27;s Worth it.
bschne超过 4 年前
I signed up for facebook again a few days ago because I need an account to manage some events &#x2F; pages whose target demo is still reachable on the platform.<p>My account was dead for about two years or so before that. Within a minute or two of signing up with my (real) email and phone number, basically my whole friend list from back when I had an account, people I&#x27;ve texted on whatsapp once years ago, etc. were in friend suggestions. Downright creepy.
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neals超过 4 年前
What annoys me to no end is that I was Whatsapping with a local restaurant for food delivery during the lockdown and two days later, the owner pops up in my Facebook &quot;suggested friends&quot; list.
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DisjointedHunt超过 4 年前
Why can&#x27;t comments on Hacker news follow etiquette of staying on topic?<p>People here respond to the top comment directly with a point that&#x27;s not even closely related to the top comment. And then everyone else follows.<p>If you&#x27;re making a new point that&#x27;s not gaining from the chained comments feature or directly conversing&#x2F;adding on to the person above you, just create a new comment.
utf_8x超过 4 年前
Once again - Signal[0] as an alternative. It&#x27;s fully Open-Source (including the backend) and their crypto is public and independently verified[1][2][3]...<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;signal.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;signal.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Signal_(software)#Encryption_p" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Signal_(software)#Encryption_p</a>...<p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;threatpost.com&#x2F;signal-audit-reveals-protocol-cryptog" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;threatpost.com&#x2F;signal-audit-reveals-protocol-cryptog</a>...<p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eprint.iacr.org&#x2F;2016&#x2F;1013.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eprint.iacr.org&#x2F;2016&#x2F;1013.pdf</a> [PDF]
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kerng超过 4 年前
Didn&#x27;t Facebook legally state they will NOT do this when acquiring WhatsApp- to me it sounds as this can be prohibited and daily fines with subsequent breakup should be in order.<p>Sometimes I wish I had studied law...
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amelius超过 4 年前
We need telecommunication laws like we had in the old days. No messing with our data. And the ability to migrate to a different network.
harry8超过 4 年前
This is a tricky problem and there are a few solutions, none of which are perfect. By far the best one if you can manage it is to delete your facebook account and apps and never look back. Encourage whatsapp contacts to move to signal is probably just annoying for you and them but it seems to be steadily happening, so make sure you have a signal account.
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rcMgD2BwE72F超过 4 年前
Except for social network effects (larger user base), what are WhatsApp&#x27;s advantages vs Signal?
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timvisee超过 4 年前
Also: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;faq.whatsapp.com&#x2F;general&#x2F;security-and-privacy&#x2F;how-we-work-with-the-facebook-companies" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;faq.whatsapp.com&#x2F;general&#x2F;security-and-privacy&#x2F;how-we...</a>
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xfz超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve been resisting the Facebook (including WhatsApp) monopoly but at personal cost so I&#x27;m starting to capitulate. The network effect has been discussed at length already, but imagine if the phone system was controlled by a single company and you could only call customers of the same company!<p>For those living in the EU and UK (where GDPR still applies), has anyone had success with an Article 21 &quot;right to object&quot; request? For example, objecting to the sharing of data with Facebook when using WhatsApp. It is not an absolute right, it&#x27;s supposed to be depending on individual circumstances so I expect there&#x27;s lots of wiggle room for their DPO&#x2F;legal team to refuse, or just stonewall. I&#x27;d love to be wrong, so please share...
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orange_tee超过 4 年前
I have an empty Facebook profile and use Whatsapp all the time. The friend suggestions on Facebook that I get are complete strangers. I don&#x27;t know how this works but none of my Whatsapp contacts ever appear as suggestions and none of the suggestions are people I ever knew.<p>I don&#x27;t know how I managed this.
Strs2FillMyDrms超过 4 年前
In my case the only annoying thing is when male friends ask me in person if I have an Instagram account, it may have pooped as a recommendation because of this, and I categorically deny it... they obviously know that it&#x27;s just for the thirst, but I deny it nonetheless.<p>I think Instagram has an option to not show your number and not to appear in recommendations, but I&#x27;m sure it doesn&#x27;t work.
niqmk超过 4 年前
&quot;showing relevant offers and ads across the Facebook Company Products;&quot;<p>Welcome to facebook ads
secfirstmd超过 4 年前
<i>&quot;promoting safety, security and integrity across the Facebook Company Products, e.g., security systems and fighting spam, threads, abuse, or infringement activities;&quot;</i><p>This particular one is very open ended. Facebook&#x27;s internal security team and it&#x27;s external contractors have internal tools that use Facebooks App on people&#x27;s phones to locate, block and alert if marked individuals are near company premises or high ranking executives.<p>Let&#x27;s say you protest against Facebook outside their offices, they could look you up on Facebook, find your account and if you enter a zone near their office it will send them an alert. Similarly someone with access to the system can ping your phone anywhere in the world to find a location with only the very basic controls present to prevent it from happening. No doubt the internal teams expand that to include key executives, suppliers etc.<p>In theory they should be logged in to their own account to do this and not able to ping people in their immediate circles, in reality no doubt they could probably have a false account to bypass this. If you think about the power of this. Hundreds of people with limited oversight free to ping whomever they want as long as they can create a loose reason to do it. Remember when the Saudis were paying people with insider access at Twitter, you could imagine how much the ability of people to ping a FB user anywhere in the world is worth. Two billion users...The NSA can only dream of such access. From intelligence targets to lovers to competitors, hundreds of people have access to this data because of FB policies and tech.<p>At least with FB you don&#x27;t have to have the app on the phone. WhatsApp is however essentially the new SMS, it&#x27;s impossible not to avoid it...and now slowly slowly FB is retaking control.<p>No wonder Brian Acton has gone to Signal. The original vision of WhatsApp is rapidly being eroded by FB. Yes WhatsApp has e2e but slowly FB is being FB and looking for return on its investment.
pbhjpbhj超过 4 年前
I was hoping this was about how WhatsApp (the app) could now do a Facebook messaging, or somesuch.<p>It seems more about how WhatsApp&#x2F;Facebook the company use your data in the background, rather than &quot;how WhatsApp works ...&quot;.
blinkingled超过 4 年前
How does it affect someone if they don&#x27;t have Facebook account or even have the FB app installed? (i.e. someone using just WhatsApp.) Does FB still get my data via WhatsApp?
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dannyw超过 4 年前
Is this post written to invite a breakup?
renewiltord超过 4 年前
Honestly, all this is fine. So long as they don&#x27;t scan the content - not because I care about that but because I act as if they have E2EE (which AFAIK from people I know at FB, they do) - I&#x27;m fine. After all, who I talk to isn&#x27;t a big deal. I just don&#x27;t want to be dragnetted into a drug bust because while I don&#x27;t buy my drugs on WhatsApp I definitely discuss using them.
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niqmk超过 4 年前
Welcome to facebook ads<p>&quot;showing relevant offers and ads across the Facebook Company Products;&quot;
gcblkjaidfj超过 4 年前
much better link <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25662215" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25662215</a>
dmitriid超过 4 年前
&gt; Learn more about the other Facebook Companies and their privacy practices by reviewing their privacy policies.<p>a.k.a.: &quot;we absolve ourselves of all responsibility because you should read the million or so pages of dense legalese yourself&quot;<p>And this is most likely illegal under GDPR.