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733 点作者 kylebarron超过 4 年前

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aerosmile超过 4 年前
I am surprised that the comments haven&#x27;t mentioned the role of SEO in Wikipedia&#x27;s growth and defensibility.<p>Wikipedia&#x27;s habit of deep interlinking helped it rank back in the early aughts when the SEO rules were rather simple. Add to that the subdomain-driven localization strategy and many other moves that were considered SEO best practices back in those years when the on-page factors used to matter.<p>But that was just the start. Wikipedia killed it in SEO when it was easy to do so, but it also did one other thing that most SEO-driven sites (eg: About) didn&#x27;t do correctly - it cared deeply about the content quality and also resisted to run ads (anyone remember Jason Calacanis&#x27; articles on how they are leaving $100m on the table? See [1]). So when Panda came around, Google correctly rewarded Wikipedia with #1 rankings for over 50% of its terms (!!), and Jason Calacanis had to shut down Mahalo which got destroyed by Panda.<p>Wikipedia&#x27;s dominance continues because it&#x27;s basically impossible to overcome its lead in inbound links and domain authority. Add to that a surprisingly under-the-radar company culture which has avoided any major blow ups despite its community wielding so much leverage over the world&#x27;s education and having to make a lot of difficult calls on a daily basis.<p>Well done.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;calacanis.com&#x2F;2006&#x2F;10&#x2F;28&#x2F;wikipedia-leaves-100m-on-the-table-or-please-jimbo-reconsider&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;calacanis.com&#x2F;2006&#x2F;10&#x2F;28&#x2F;wikipedia-leaves-100m-on-th...</a>
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acidburnNSA超过 4 年前
In grad school back in like 2007 I took a 2-credit class called &quot;The History of Nuclear Enterprise&quot; taught by one of those long white-haired Doc Brown type professors. The final project was for each of us to make Wikipedia pages describing some important topic that wasn&#x27;t covered yet. I made one on the university&#x27;s nuclear reactor which had just been shut down. I dug through many linear feet of archived info, scanning photos and collecting various info for the page. It was super rewarding. I was hooked.<p>Variously since then I have gone deep into some fringe but important-to-some topic and found hard-to-find sources. I&#x27;ve found it effective to collect and present this information in Wikipedia pages.<p>Like a few months ago I made the page for the Aircraft Reactor Experiment [1], the world&#x27;s first molten salt-fueled nuclear reactor, built and operated with intent to make nuclear-powered long-range aircraft. I&#x27;m pretty proud of the page, and go back to use it somewhat regularly. Having the platform of Wikipedia inspires me to go the slight extra mile in personal research in a way that can be used by everyone.<p>Thanks Wikipedia, for existing.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Aircraft_Reactor_Experiment" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Aircraft_Reactor_Experiment</a>
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sharkweek超过 4 年前
Ah good stuff - I love Wikipedia more than almost any other non-living <i>thing</i> that has been created in my lifetime. If you had told me the idea as a pitch 20 years ago I would have assumed you were <i>capital I</i> insane for thinking it would work.<p>It was pretty fresh when I was in college and I remember my professors all being pretty explicit about not using it as a source. Thought I had figured out the world’s biggest life hack when I started using the sources listed on Wikipedia as my sources for papers.
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libraryofbabel超过 4 年前
Three aphorisms in honor of Wikipedia, greatest encyclopedia in world history, and its 20 years of free knowledge uncorrupted by advertising:<p>* Wikipedia works in practice, but not in theory.<p>* Wikipedia is the worst source of information, except for all the others.<p>* Wikipedia: the Internet’s greatest reason to feel a little bit optimistic about human nature.
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i_love_limes超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ll add my own anecdote. I have donated to Wikipedia sporadically over the years, and they asked me to take part in a sort of round table interview &#x2F; qualitative study.<p>In a room of other <i>Wikipedia donators</i>, maybe 1&#x2F;3 of the people there didn&#x27;t know that the information was entirely community driven, and when they learned, a handful of didn&#x27;t think it was a good idea!<p>It just shows how much Wikipedia is just taken for granted, when in reality so so much effort goes in to keeping it free, ad free, open, and accessible to everyone.
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olivermarks超过 4 年前
2017 - &#x27;Researchers found that 77 percent of Wikipedia articles are written by 1 percent of Wikipedia editors, and they think this is probably for the best.&#x27;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;article&#x2F;7x47bb&#x2F;wikipedia-editors-elite-diversity-foundation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;article&#x2F;7x47bb&#x2F;wikipedia-editors-eli...</a>
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wolverine876超过 4 年前
I was originally enthusiastic about the &#x27;wisdom of the crowds&#x27; and its potential. The Internet was a great experiment with unknown possibilities. I edited Wikipedia and talked about its potential.<p>I was skeptical at the same time - it was an experiment, not a revelation. I used to tell people, &#x27;I don&#x27;t know how Wikipedia could work, but it seems to&#x27;. I&#x27;d apply &#x27;The Cathedral and the Bizarre&#x27; concept to it, and &#x27;with enough eyes, all bugs are shallow&#x27; (even though those ideas were intended for open source software).<p>The &#x27;wisdom of the crowds&#x27; depends on good faith from the members of the crowd. Otherwise you get the manipulation of the crowds and propaganda of the faux crowds. One serious concern I had was that, if economics predicts human behavior to some extent, Wikipedia could be a victim of its own success: The more readers and influence it had, the more likely people would try to use that power. I first saw it happening in 2006, in the page on the Duke University lacrosse team&#x27;s sexual assault case. Many editors clearly engaged in rewriting history in order to advocate for the lacrosse players; many had names clearly asserting affinity for Duke U., such as &#x27;bluedevil&#x27;. That seizure of power was highly disturbing; has Wikipedia developed better means to prevent it now?<p>Of course, the focus on using the &#x27;wisdom of the crowds&#x27; to manipulate has shifted to other platforms, such as Facebook and Twitter. I stopped using Wikipedia years ago, other than to lookup basic facts that have little significance to me. I use Britannica (or other expert sources), which IMHO is very good and often very well written. While there is some benefit to &#x27;wisdom of the crowds&#x27;, I never know if that&#x27;s what I&#x27;m getting at Wikipedia. As for the expert approach,<p><i>In matters of science, the authority of thousands is not worth the humble reasoning of one single person.</i>
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mxcrossb超过 4 年前
I just opened up google maps and zoomed in on a random town: Mt. Pleasant Iowa. If I search it on google, on the top of the page is a snippet from Wikipedia. The top result is a link to Wikipedia. The second is the actual town website.<p>This is what I find fascinating about the project. We’re more interested in reading a secondary source compiled by random people, than the actual primary source! I think it says a lot about the nice interface it has.
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matthewmorgan超过 4 年前
Plenty of subtle agenda-pushing on Wikipedia if you&#x27;re paying attention
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neilpanchal超过 4 年前
Take note: The interface hasn&#x27;t changed much, a good thing.
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wintorez超过 4 年前
I think we can&#x27;t overstate the deep impact Wikipedia had in the past 20 years. The initial idea was so counter-initiative. I thought it would fail due to vandalism. But despite that, it thrived, and somehow it became a great source of knowledge.
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ceilingcorner超过 4 年前
Is there an easy way to browse past versions of Wikipedia? I’m aware of the Wayback Machine, but that only works for a particular article.<p>I ask because it’s become increasingly obvious that articles are changed to fit the contemporary zeitgeist. Writers that died a century ago are recast into different people, depending on the popular ideology of the day. The choice of acceptable sources is also pretty disappointing. This problem is unique to the internet and doesn’t exist with hardback encyclopedias; one can still buy a hardback set of Britannica circa 1900.<p>Once 2050 comes around, I’d like to be able to read the 2010 version of Wikipedia, not the one deemed acceptable by the powers that be.
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mch82超过 4 年前
Wikipedia is also amazing because the foundation publishes a lot of detail about engineering and technical operations on Wikitech (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikitech.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Main_Page" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikitech.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Main_Page</a>). I’ve learned so much about DevOps just reading their docs and publicly released code. They also publish minutes of their Scrum of Scrums and Google Summer of Code projects. And they have historical info about key initiatives &amp; growth. All worth exploring if you’re running a website&#x2F;startup.
2OEH8eoCRo0超过 4 年前
Wikipedia is a treasure. Everyone wants free access to information, well here it is. Put your money where your mouth is and donate.
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HDMI_Cable超过 4 年前
One reason Wikipedia was able to grow so quickly was because of its scale. Instead of relying on a few posh journal editors like Britannica, <i>anyone</i> could contribute. And while you have edge cases of people trolling and some misinformation, you also have a much larger labour pool of people dedicated to helping, not for a paycheque, but their own personal reasons.
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moron4hire超过 4 年前
It&#x27;s funny. We just showed our kids the Pixar movie &quot;Monsters Inc&quot;, which I hadn&#x27;t realized was also 20 years old until the movie ended and the info screen came up. I think of it as a contemporary movie, &quot;not that old&quot;.<p>But I think of Wikipedia as having always existed.<p>Funny how memory works.<p>Also, I&#x27;ve lived longer with Wikipedia than without.<p>I guess I&#x27;m getting old.
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neonate超过 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;ZJkp6" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;ZJkp6</a>
kristopolous超过 4 年前
I remember going first in 2002, a lot of pages were just lists like all the popes or cereals by general mills.<p>I thought &quot;yeah right, who&#x27;s going to write an article on like pope pius x and cheerios. nice project but not happening&quot;<p>It was the second time I had seen a wiki, the first was on vim.org where I changed something in 2001 or so because I just didn&#x27;t believe the concept was real.<p>I think I get in on the ground of a bunch of things but I&#x27;m just incredulous and not enthusiastic about them. Like all those bitcoins I didn&#x27;t care about...<p>It&#x27;s a problem I should probably work on. I should be more excited about things. Just have to figure out how to get there.
cabalamat超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m surprised that no-one has built an inclusionist alternative to Wikipedia. Wikipedia&#x27;s emphasis on notability restricts what can be put there.
marcod超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m sorry, but the intro of the article is wrong.<p>Not anyone could edit the Hitchhiker&#x27;s Guide to the Galaxy. Ford was researching earth for 15 years and an editor cut his submission down to &quot;mostly harmless&quot;...<p>&gt; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hitchhikers.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ford_Prefect#Work_on_the_Guide" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hitchhikers.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ford_Prefect#Work_on_the...</a>
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kantbtrue超过 4 年前
Wikipedia is my primary knowledge destination!
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bluecloud1超过 4 年前
I was one of the first administrators on one of the non-English versions and saw it grow from &quot;this cannot possibly compete with Encyclopedia Britannica etc.&quot; to &quot;OMG, what would the world do without Wikipedia?&quot;.<p>I continue to be blown away by Wikipedia, and the fact that it not only works but continually gets better over time. Hats off to Wikipedia management and the fact they have stayed true to their mission.<p>Please remember to continue to support them, through donations or any other means that you can!
luxuryballs超过 4 年前
Wikipedia feels so skeuomorphic now with single pages like a real Encyclopedia. Rather than having an “edit battle” over a single page and then having them always being locked down why don’t we have an “Omnipedia” where people can just fork a page if there is a legitimate alternative angle on something? We have the technology, just need a clever UI for visually browsing the various forks and a way of preventing the forks from becoming duplicates of the same alternative.
nsajko超过 4 年前
One interesting thing with interesting implications regarding the (Wikimedia Foundation and its) Wikipedias is that getting to know them&#x2F;it and how it functions is very involved.<p>This is what I&#x27;m getting at: I tried to present some criticism of Wikipedia in this discussion. However, a lot of my comments are kind of vague because I failed to give specific examples. Consider why this is so:<p>Discussing a specific example would require both some (sometimes rare) knowledge of the subject at hand and knowledge of the arcane processes through which a Wikipedia is governed and through which the disputes are resolved.<p>This means that I would need to invest a lot of time explaining everything for someone to be able to understand the example, but, on the other hand, almost nobody (if not perhaps already a Wikipedian and familiar with the subject matter) would be willing to invest enough time to really understand the example and all the connected issues anyway.<p>Thus substantial criticism of Wikipedia and its processes never gets to the public at large. I think that even most of Wikipedia&#x27;s contributors hold little understanding of how Wikipedia actually works (socially) because the majority are very casual. And don&#x27;t get me started on the incompetent contributors who meddle with articles and topics that they don&#x27;t know enough about.<p>Another issue is that Wikipedians probably won&#x27;t want to associate their Wikipedia identity with their HN identity (and similar).
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rayrag超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve recently installed Wikipedia app on my tablet and I have to admit it&#x27;s amazing, I prefer it over the web version. Cleaner look, customisable home page, tabs within app and especially ability to create lists of articles and saving them for offline use is something I&#x27;ve always wanted.
raindropm超过 4 年前
I used to read book while eating(it&#x27;s my lifelong habit) now I replace it with Wikipedia. Learn something new here and there everyday(mostly old history stuff)<p>Nothing beats its rabbit hole and its barebone-but-focused interface. It does not replace any in-depth source of any topic you want to learn, of course.
iamcreasy超过 4 年前
Do anybody has any hypothesis on why there hasn&#x27;t been any successful Wikipedia copycat? I know Google attempted their variant called Knol(<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Knol" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Knol</a>).
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foofoo4u超过 4 年前
Of all the institutions on the web, Wikipedia has remained my #1 most trusted source with the least sense of corruption. Remarkable, really. If we want to know how to restore the web, we may want to learn how Wikipedia has remained so reputable for so long and model it.
bigpumpkin超过 4 年前
10-20 years seem to be the right timeframe for long-term thinking. It is long enough that a kernel of an idea can become world changing in that time frame. Yet not so long that present people would have no ability to predict future trends.
lilSebastian超过 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;08&#x2F;26&#x2F;scots_wikipedia_fake&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;08&#x2F;26&#x2F;scots_wikipedia_fake&#x2F;</a>
tech-historian超过 4 年前
A visual history of Wikipedia going back to 2001:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.versionmuseum.com&#x2F;history-of&#x2F;wikipedia-website" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.versionmuseum.com&#x2F;history-of&#x2F;wikipedia-website</a>
elliotec超过 4 年前
I believe Wikipedia is not only the greatest and most perfect website to exist, but also one of the greatest accomplishments of humankind.<p>I rarely use such strong, ostensibly hyperbolic language without sarcasm, but I couldn&#x27;t be more sincere and genuine with that statement.<p>It exemplifies the information age, and the &quot;purpose&quot; of the internet - networked information transfer. The design is simple and usable to an almost miraculous degree. The distributed sourcing of information with mind-blowing moderation is pioneering and of upmost respectability.<p>Its ability to endure through the onslaught of addictive capitalist pressures and sheer ethical reasonableness is something very special, resisting ads for the sake and benefit of humanity, I almost want to cry just writing about it.<p>I could say so much more, but what I want to get to is - Thank you Wikipedia. You have changed countless lives and spread unthinkable knowledge to unfathomable futures. Hard to believe it&#x27;s only been 20 years, I can&#x27;t imagine a universe without you.<p>Please donate if you use Wikipedia. The world needs it.
mensetmanusman超过 4 年前
Is there an easy way to download all of Wikipedia?<p>I’m guessing it is one of the first things set up on Mars :)
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throwawaybutwhy超过 4 年前
Congratulations to the hive of villainy, embezzlement, and political propaganda on incidentally creating the largest trove of human knowledge on the backs of unpaid and underappreciated editors.
tannhaeuser超过 4 年前
Happy birthday, Wikipedia.<p>Agree though that on the rare occasion I skim an article falling within one of my areas of expertise, I&#x27;m usually left very disappointed, puzzled about the mindset of editors seeing themselves nevertheless as domain experts going by the authoritative tone of Wikipedia articles.<p>The Gell-Mann amnesia effect makes me then appreciate articles out of my area of expertise again. That, and the fact that most sites when read in EU greet you with annoying cookie dialogs, something I wish search engines would indicate in advance in order for me to spare me visiting it (a turning away effect I wish was studied and quantified somewhere as it vastly changed my browsing habits).
admiralspoo超过 4 年前
Its reputation is severely declining, especially on topics relating to current events, figures, or politics.<p>It, however, remains excellent for technical knowledge.
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diveanon超过 4 年前
I would like to see wikipedia move it&#x27;s database to a decentralized model, something similar to a blockchain ledger.<p>I would definitely consider contributing and donating to an effort that opened up it&#x27;s content and moderation further.
throwawaysea超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve been funding Wikipedia for years and use it several times daily. It has indeed grown into an amazing source of knowledge documenting this world. However there are insidious problems building up. For example, I&#x27;ve noticed that they are starting to encode a lot of biases into its articles, particularly on topics that are part of the political sphere. These articles often reflect a US progressive-left worldview rather than a balanced view that reflects differing opinions from multiple sides of the aisle. There is also a distinct Western and English cultural bias in how articles describe and frame other countries, other cultures, and other religions.<p>I&#x27;m not sure what the fix is for these issues, but it does mean that I seek out opposing perspectives elsewhere when I read articles that concern such topics. It&#x27;ll probably always be important for readers to seek multiple perspectives, including ones they disagree with, instead of blindly trusting Wikipedia to be correct. After all, it is written by humans.
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Uptrenda超过 4 年前
I really do hate Wikipedia and almost never use it. It&#x27;s a collection of poorly spun word-salad stolen loosely from third-parties. And the aim isn&#x27;t on quality but to satisfy the editors compulsive need to contribute to Wikipedia&#x27;s ever-growing rat&#x27;s nest of non-sense... just because. In every article there will always be a historical section probably about 3&#x2F;4ths the articles width that you just skip over (it&#x27;s useless.) Then, maybe if you&#x27;re lucky there will be some notes of value.<p>These notes are almost always useless for two reasons:<p>1. They are never detailed enough to do anything with.<p>2. They usually assume massive amounts of prior audience knowledge. To the point where said audience wouldn&#x27;t need the website.<p>So they have the unique distinction of being useless to both beginners and expert audiences (quite the feat if you think about.) In the end after you&#x27;ve realized whatever article you&#x27;re reading is useless (mostly all of them) you&#x27;ll leave and do what you should have done in the first place: your own research.<p>I really do wish there was a way to block results in Google. Wikipedia and it&#x27;s merry band of 13-yo editors would be the first to go.
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