Department of Defense and Department of Commerce to Develop Open 5G Systems

154 点作者 OpticalWindows超过 4 年前

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Somewhat shocked by the responses here.This is great news if they truly go through with open spec hardware and open source 5G firmware, it would be a seismic shift in how cellular modems have been rolled out in the last 30 years.Truly couldn't care less if it is driven by Europe or China having better tech or whatever geopolitical flavour of the minute caused such things, I would 100% support a US effort if the went down an open source path, where can I sign up to donate development effort? The most widespread bastion of closed source binary blobs left on the planet with no alternatives is cellular baseband firmware. Anyone breaking down those walls should be congratulated regardless of the reasons.If you are interested in these things don't be put off by the kneejerk comments here, it's fertile land, there are devs who have worked for years on open source cellular modem software and poured significant money/energy into such endeavours knowing they could never realistically get their work approved by regulators anywhere on Earth.Have some links, honestly surprised many people in 2nd one haven't been arrested. This is a highly regulated space and they've caused a tad bit of trouble over the years for simply trying to be free.<a href="https://www.freecalypso.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.freecalypso.org/</a><a href="https://osmocom.org/" rel="nofollow">https://osmocom.org/</a>

supernova87a超过 4 年前

Sigh, these always read like such PR department unclear jargony press releases."...The 5G Challenge would leverage the innovative capabilities of the software development and telecommunications technology communities to enable more open implementations of 5G systems, including end-user equipment, the radio access network, and the core network, with a focus on the 5G protocol stack software. "How about:"We want to run a game with a big reward. A game that gets people to come up with the most innovative, clever, secure, resilient ways to use 5G for our military that we haven't seen before.Do you have ideas for how 5G can be implemented in open hardware or software? Do you have ideas for how we can structure a game and its reward to achieve something like that?Let us know if you have ideas, and you may be able to be a part of something big."

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DyslexicAtheist超过 4 年前

in 2020 US AG[1] floated the idea of buying shares in Nokia or Ericsson to be able to have a say in this space (talking about "controlling the means of production" lol). For natsec this isn't enough which seems to be also the conclusion of DoD.Having worked in this space, a company bidding here will not be able to do this without spending billions on implementing and being part of the non-military commercial market (and paying commercial rates for engineers to build it). It took commercial vendors nearly a decade to build 5G and the only reason they were so "fast" was because they had already experienced engineers on their payroll who understood the basics of 3G/4G.if they accept bids it would be more realistic to just focus on a MIL spec equivalent documents of 3GPP specs and then have the Nokia or Ericsson sites in the US build it for them. Even they do this there is still the "Outsourced elephant in the room":"5G: The outsourced elephant in the room" <a href="https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/5g-elephant-in-the-room/" rel="nofollow">https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/5g-elephant-in-the-room/</a>If they're really serious about natsec the only way forward would be a complete isolation for the military network.[1] <a href="https://www.ft.com/content/1aa61918-48fc-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441" rel="nofollow">https://www.ft.com/content/1aa61918-48fc-11ea-aeb3-955839e06...</a>

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austincheney超过 4 年前

This is highly unusual from a technology perspective. Cellular communications are distinctly and deliberately not part of DOD missions outside the US because those transmissions are easily intercepted and not encrypted. Any use of international cell phones by DOD personnel is purely a matter of urgency and convenience severely limited in what they can be used for.

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_underfl0w_超过 4 年前

Asking for "comments" to an email may not end so well for them, especially when it comes to "strengthening [...] warfighting capabilities".Seems like they might be trying to spin this "Challenge" as a sort of AES-style competition, but merely requesting comments en masse seems like it will go the way of the Net Neutrality comments on the FCC site - lots of spam drowning out legitimate input, leading to powerful entities feeling justified in ignoring all submissions.

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Zigurd超过 4 年前

This is a strange initiative.Of course it would be good if the telecom infrastructure were open, secure, and auditable. But there are some barriers:You cannot make communications secure AND enable interception. You are required to provide undetectable (even to network management systems)interception for (IIRC) 1% of traffic. This has to be controlled from an off-site LI console at law enforcement agencies.And that's just the tip of the surveillance iceberg.There are parts of a 5G system that could be open source, like most of the RAN, since LI happens in the mobile switching center. But for these parts of the network, the equipment providers could just be required to make their code public and audit it. Possibly needs patent suit protection, but that would get you there fastest.As others on this thread have pointed out the whole telecom gear game is wildly unsuited for open systems for a whole bunch of other reasons.

pabs3超过 4 年前

I wonder if these will be useful to them:<a href="https://open5gs.org/" rel="nofollow">https://open5gs.org/</a> <a href="https://www.openairinterface.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.openairinterface.org/</a>

balia超过 4 年前

Interesting. So basically a state driven economy?

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arbitrage超过 4 年前

If the U.S. DOD is involved, then no -- it will not be 'open'.Americans always play weird games with the truth, what they think you'll allow them to get away with when they lie straight to your face.