Worried about Signal, WhatsApp is taking out full page ads in Indian Newspapers

53 点作者 hgarg超过 4 年前

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bicepjai超过 4 年前

I got a message from telegram that’s says “”” Telegram surpassed 500 million active users.In the past 72 hours alone, more than 25 million new users from around the world joined Telegram.Thank you! These milestones were made possible by users like you who invite their friends to Telegram.If you have contacts that joined in the last few days, you can welcome them using one of Telegram’s unique features, such as an animated sticker or a video message.To find out more about Telegram features, have a look at <a href="https://t.me/TelegramTips" rel="nofollow">https://t.me/TelegramTips</a> “””

dilippkumar超过 4 年前

Anyone know how this works? If everything that Facebook claims in that newspaper advertisement is true, then Facebook has- paid $19 billion to buy whatsapp- Removed whatsapp’s subscription model and given it away for free- Has been paying the bills for the infrastructure and maintenance costs of a massively popular service- Paid for a full page advertisement in newspapers with claims that whatsapp data will not be monetized like the other Facebook servicesThis makes zero sense to me. Everything about whatsapp looks like an expense to Facebook. Can someone more knowledgeable please help make sense of this situation?

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BayAreaEscapee超过 4 年前

I feel for the foreign (non USA) countries that are subject to this kind of gaslighting from Big Tech. At least in the United States, we can proposition our own politicians to reign in the excesses of Big Tech in our own country.Foreign countries have no real alternative: there is no way to lobby Big Tech for change. They have no real voice far away in Washington DC.In some cases they can just block some site or app and insist people use the locally developed alternative, but this isn't really all that effective. Usually the local alternative has some deficiencies, and it doesn't always work: look at the way Russia failed to block Telegram a few years ago.

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kylehotchkiss超过 4 年前

This comes somewhat recently after several Chinese apps were banned and calls for using more local/national alternatives. TikTok is gone, so now India has Moj.WhatsApp has big market share but as a foreign company asking users to accept a less private policy, people are understandably going to seek alternatives, and potentially even build them.WhatsApps big hope in India is payments processing but recent government policy changes allow payment payment processors a max of 30% of total payment volumes per app (<a href="https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/npci-imposes-cap-on-share-of-upi-transactions" rel="nofollow">https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/npci-imposes-cap-on-...</a>) which probably makes the prospect less exciting, and with users beginning to seek greener pastures for messaging apps, I'm curious what WhatsApp's next play in India will be.

ricardo81超过 4 年前

Google Trends, United States, Whatsapp vs Signal vs Telegram. Perhaps they need ads in Uncle Sam also.<a href="https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&geo=US&q=%2Fm%2F0gwzvs1,%2Fm%2F012pq75w,%2Fm%2F0zwk75g" rel="nofollow">https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&ge...</a>

DisjointedHunt超过 4 年前

It's also scary that, as a participant to this market struggle for dominance, Facebook has tools at its disposal to severely restrict the growth of its competition by declaring them a harmful meme. They have publicly declared their ability and process for reducing distribution on such "viral" memes after earlier incidents where the spread of misinformation through chain/group forwards led to violence.[1a][1b] [edit] Here's a more relevant link about the implied distribution controls: [1c] Since this effort launched in 2018, the definition of the content that can be restricted has morphed to include "Fake news" and "Rumors" in addition to pure violence alone.Facebook owned companies have a long history of distrust from the Indian public and this has played out at least one earlier time with Facebooks attempt at a free internet in India, being labelled the equivalent of the British empires attempt at colonization [2]The narrative in India (Or other parts of the world where i have large teams who have a casual enough relationship with me to talk about these issues) isn't presently helped by the happenings in the US where large US tech companies have effectively levied sanctions against entities with political affiliation to one political movement.This is anecdotal, but i'm hearing a lot of "What happens if they decide tomorrow that we don't fit their values?" ; There's also an ongoing financial dispute that has prompted Google to block Australian news sites [3] and the forums there are split between the two sides and how this diminishes independence of media thanks to unparalleled market power of tech companies.[1a] <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/how-whatsapp-fuels-fake-news-and-violence-in-india/" rel="nofollow">https://www.wired.com/story/how-whatsapp-fuels-fake-news-and...</a> [1b] <a href="https://blog.whatsapp.com/more-changes-to-forwarding" rel="nofollow">https://blog.whatsapp.com/more-changes-to-forwarding</a> [1c] <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/19/facebook-fake-news-violence-moderation-plan" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/19/facebook-...</a> [2] <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32795270" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32795270</a> [2] <a href="https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/google-blocks-australian-news-in-experiment-20210113-p56tqd" rel="nofollow">https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/google-blo...</a>

reacharavindh超过 4 年前

“WhatsApp does not share contacts with Facebook or anyone else” Is that true? Or just evil wordplay? I thought they were interested in WhatsApp’s metadata all along..?

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m-p-3超过 4 年前

And even if you don't know anyone using Signal, I still recommend to setup an account. Maybe someone you know is already on it and you didn't know?

villgax超过 4 年前

Even Facebook bought a lot of Indian Airport & newspaper Ads when the EU lawsuits were working up.WhatsApp's actual ToS mentions they do have access to location data.

bythckr超过 4 年前

"If you could make God bleed, people would cease to believe in Him."..."All that for a drop of blood?"..."If it bleeds, we can kill it"..."Avengers Assemble."

therockspush超过 4 年前

Seems like its not a coincidence that the signal community is seeing a cluster of town jackasses showing up.<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25757398" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25757398</a>

shripadk超过 4 年前

WhatsApp won't be able to do anything about it. Even with publishing full page ads. It is just a big waste of money. I have had so many of my relatives and friends move to Signal already. Big Tech companies haven't yet understood Indian psyche. If we make a move it will be en masse. So never antagonise Indians. Just see what happened to Tik Tok. The next big movement would be from Twitter if Twitter doesn't fix its ridiculous ideological censorship policies.