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Elasticsearch and Kibana are now business risks

94 点作者 vmbrasseur超过 4 年前

6 条评论

dang超过 4 年前
The main thread on this is <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25776657" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25776657</a>. It was off the front page for a while because of the flamewar detector but I&#x27;ve turned that off (false positive).<p>I&#x27;ve merged most of the comments thither. The ones that only make sense in the current article&#x27;s context should probably stay here.
didibus超过 4 年前
&gt; By using an SSPL project in your code, you are agreeing that if you provide an online service using that code then you will release not only that code but also the code for every supporting piece of software, all under the SSPL. It’s not a stretch to interpret the wording of the license as requiring users of the SSPL’d software therefore to release the code for everything straight down to the bare metal<p>This seems to be an issue of people not being able to figure out what the license actually would imply if challenged in court.<p>I think this is a fair argument, at that point, even a full on proprietary license where you ha e to pay to use ElasticSearch and Kibanna might be seems as less risky by business lawyers.<p>Now, I&#x27;m not a lawyer, but this makes me wonder how is &quot;law&quot; supposed to handle scenarios like this? Is law at a point that even reading the license terms that you agree with isn&#x27;t good enough to know what you&#x27;re agreeing too?<p>Isn&#x27;t law supposed to be about agreeing to things ahead of time so there is no surprises? So what&#x27;s failing here?
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Jonnax超过 4 年前
This seems like someone with a ideological bone to pick. You don&#x27;t need to opensource your software that uses their products.<p>They link this article of their&#x27;s at the bottom:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;anonymoushash.vmbrasseur.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;06&#x2F;07&#x2F;the-problem-with-amazon-and-open-source-isnt-amazon&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;anonymoushash.vmbrasseur.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;06&#x2F;07&#x2F;the-problem-...</a><p>This tells you everything about their stance:<p>&quot;If these companies actually cared about the projects, they would have invested the resources to build stronger communities around them. They would have reached out to Amazon, encouraged them to contribute back to the projects, and helped them to do so.&quot;<p>They&#x27;re very pro AWS.
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prohobo超过 4 年前
What? For years I&#x27;ve been trying to get my teams to start using Elasticsearch and Kibana.<p>For any project that relies on logging data and events, ES is a godsend. You can log file system changes with filebeat, process logs from a distributed system, transform logs, monitor hardware, etc. etc. and it&#x27;s <i>fast</i>. I love it.<p>This license just makes it impossible for me to recommend it now. I don&#x27;t care if it&#x27;s supposed to strangle some corpos, it&#x27;s now a no-go for small startups.<p>EDIT: It seems that I might be wrong about this? The article is just alarmist bs?
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softwaredoug超过 4 年前
Here&#x27;s the actual language from SSPL<p>&gt; If you make the functionality of the Program or a modified version available to third parties as a service... (license conditions apply)<p>&gt; “The Program” refers to any copyrightable work licensed under this License.<p>IANAL, but that seems pretty cut and dry referring to making an Elasticsearch or Kibana service, not like a GPL kind of &quot;anything that touches this gets the license&quot;
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bryanrasmussen超过 4 年前
I thought this was going to be about how Elastic in their need to grow seem likely to build products that leverage their underlying tech. So if you have a product built with Elastic tech that is in an interesting niche for Elastic to attack you run the risk of competing directly with the organization on whose tech your product is built.<p>Products that Elastic has built that leverage their tech<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.elastic.co&#x2F;enterprise-search" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.elastic.co&#x2F;enterprise-search</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.elastic.co&#x2F;google-custom-search-engine-alternative" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.elastic.co&#x2F;google-custom-search-engine-alternati...</a><p>And I guess in a way Kibana is also such a product.