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Going to the Moon Was Easy Compared to 100UL

96 点作者 another超过 4 年前

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orange_tee超过 4 年前
When I learned this a while back it blew my mind. Why are people allowed to dump lead on habited areas for a hobby? I understand if it were allowed for some commercial use, but to allow it for some random Joe who just wants to dick about in the sky. It seems wrong. I think there would be an outrage if it was something well known. I was also curious how much damage it is causing and found this article which says 16 million Americans are potentially affected, those living close to airports. [1]<p>In Europe all new training aircraft are using diesel(-like) engines now which run on jet fuel or even straight diesel. It&#x27;s not exactly hard to make the switch.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;lead-in-aviation-fuel&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;lead-in-aviation-...</a>
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51Cards超过 4 年前
Clicking on this article with no context makes it very difficult to understand if you don&#x27;t already know what 100UL and avgas means. Took me 2 paragraphs of confusion to figure out &quot;avgas&quot; is aviation fuel and 100UL means 100 Octane Unleaded.
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Reason077超过 4 年前
The problem isn&#x27;t so much the fuel, it&#x27;s the ancient piston aircraft (or at least, ancient engine designs) that are still kicking around.<p>There are modern piston aircraft engines that not only run fine on unleaded fuel [1], but are even certified to run on standard automotive fuel (&quot;Mogas&quot;). There are videos on YouTube of pilots landing on remote highways and pulling up to regular gas station pumps to refuel their aircraft!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rotax_912" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rotax_912</a>
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jabl超过 4 年前
In my non-expert uninformed opinion, if the political will would be there UL94 would have replaced 100LL a long time ago. UL94 is basically 100LL but without the lead, so we certainly know how to produce it worldwide at decent cost.<p>- Most planes could switch without any change<p>- Yes, in some cases, changes would be needed, like<p><pre><code> - detuning. - installing an electronic ignition timing system. - Installing a new engine, either a newer gasoline engine, a diesel engine, or a turbine engine. - Scrapping the plane and buying a new one. </code></pre> Sure, this would incur cost for some, but c&#x27;est la vie. Many such decisions have been made in societies all over the world, often for good reasons.<p>This could still be the solution if the EPA puts their foot down and the PAFI thing mentioned doesn&#x27;t produce a workable 100UL recipe.
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ballenf超过 4 年前
I had forgotten that we all did hate ABBA in the eighties. I mean that no one I knew could stand to listen to a single song all the way through.<p>But now I kind of like them and had kind of fake memories of always liking them until the article’s statement.<p>But obviously they were pretty popular even back then, so maybe it’s just the two of us.<p>My real point is how I think the nostalgia around the band with movies and such kind of hijacked my brain.
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studius超过 4 年前
I see no argument as to why going to the moon was easier. That sort of title diminishes the sacrifices and accomplishments involved with going to the moon.
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gambiting超过 4 年前
&gt;&gt;The U.K.-based Innospec is believed to be the only remaining producer of TEL<p>Well, as a semi-interesting fact, UK is one of the very few countries where (extremely limited) sale of actual leaded petrol is still allowed at a handful of garages around the country. Pretty much exclusively used by owners of classic cars which haven&#x27;t been modified to run on unleaded fuel. The list of garages that still sell it is here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fbhvc.co.uk&#x2F;fuels" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fbhvc.co.uk&#x2F;fuels</a>
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pfdietz超过 4 年前
One can make any organic material from non-fossil sources with enough money. For example, one can make xylenes from sugar by demonstrated pathways (hydrodeoxygenation followed by reforming). p-xylene has been made this way as a renewable feedstock for making PET plastic. That chemical also has octane rating of 146 (RON) or 127 (MON).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.virent.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;gasoline&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.virent.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;gasoline&#x2F;</a>
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antattack超过 4 年前
It&#x27;s time for airplanes that use leaded gasoline to go the way of xray machines for shoe fitting.<p>Toxic products, such as leaded gasoline, asbestos, tobacco, some pesticides, would had been outlawed much sooner if US had universal healthcare where poisoning of others costs us all - instead of being an externality.
baxtr超过 4 年前
Could anyone explain what 100 UL stands for? I tried this famous search engine u know, but that wasn’t very insightful...
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PaulHoule超过 4 年前
Sustainable aviation fuels are 50 years behind motor fuels because of the fear that changing fuels could cause your engine to fail.<p>For ground transportation we have methanol, ethanol, butanol and other ol&#x27;s not to mention biodiesel, dimethyl ether, etc. Electric is a good option too.<p>For aviation fuel people are so scared of change that they are still trying to synthesize chain hydrocarbons from H and CO. (It&#x27;s the one case where iron works as a catalyst but so poorly that they wish they could use Platinum instead.)<p>Desperate people such as Nazis and South Africans found that&#x27;s not worth doing even if you have cheap coal. Now people want to capture CO2 from the air to do it. Yeah right.
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CalChris超过 4 年前
What is the status of fuels like 100UL in Europe?
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sbussard超过 4 年前
Warning: this article is known to the state of California to cause boredom.