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Personium – personal data store server

167 点作者 cbzbc超过 4 年前

17 条评论

willemlabu超过 4 年前
This goes against my internal logic about personal privacy. The solution to online privacy and data mining is not collecting it all in a central repository, it is not collecting it at all.<p>Further, and I realise this will come off as alarmist, but, what then if the software suffers a 0-day? All that data will then be nicely aggregated for a bad actor. Somehow, knowing that there is perhaps a non trivial amount of work to be done to collect data and compile a profile from many different sources feels safer than putting it all in one place.
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gobengo超过 4 年前
Dixon has been repping this very well at the MyData.org conference these last couple years. He&#x27;s great! <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;personium.io&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;12&#x2F;09&#x2F;MyData-Online-2020-Demo-Lounge&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;personium.io&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;12&#x2F;09&#x2F;MyData-Online-2020-Demo...</a><p>Personally, I am most excited about &#x27;Personal Data Store&#x27; protocol work in <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;identity.foundation&#x2F;working-groups&#x2F;secure-data-storage.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;identity.foundation&#x2F;working-groups&#x2F;secure-data-stora...</a>.<p>Solid is ok for building UI apps against a pretty layerable interface and open data, but they aren&#x27;t investing enough in end-to-end encryption, which isn&#x27;t surprising because it doesn&#x27;t seem immediately required for inrupt.com&#x27;s phase of startup.<p>Web UI will code against DIF-SDS or Solid.<p>If whatever format isn&#x27;t encrypted, it could be translated to an encrypted blob, then stored in * centralized&#x2F;cheap&#x2F;simple: DIF-SDS. * decentralized&#x2F;redundancy&#x2F;distribution: DHTs or next-gen &quot;Internet Computers&quot;
mekkkkkk超过 4 年前
&quot;Personium&quot; sounds like a valuable ore that can be mined for great profit. Not the best association given the subject at hand.
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headmelted超过 4 年前
While I like what PDS projects like this are aiming to achieve the two big problems with the approach that I see are:<p>1) Traction. There&#x27;s no reason for third parties to give up what they view as lucrative personal data on you to have it stored elsewhere. The status quo is profitable for them, and this is an unproven system with no market share - so they have a handy excuse not to cater for it.<p>2) PDS solutions don&#x27;t only aggregate your data, but congregate it - centrally - for a bad actor to later exploit should the software ever be compromised.<p>I think the ideal solution here is something along the lines of what Blur and Apple Private Relay are doing.<p>As a side note, I&#x27;d really like to see Apple expand the private relay service beyond Sign in With Apple so that I can use private relay addresses with third party services that haven&#x27;t already moved to support SIWA. Given the private relay e-mail is bound to the user by Apple, they should be able to make this slick enough to allow you to sign-in to the same account later if that service moves to support SIWA down the road.<p>Beyond that, I&#x27;d love them to expand to anonymization services. I would be quite happy to have packages or mail from third parties arrive addressed to &quot;FAO: RELAY-AMAZON:GX43UJXKL56ASFHU&quot; rather than to my actual name such that I don&#x27;t need to give that information out.<p>With Apple&#x27;s (or even Google&#x27;s) clout, I could ultimately see either of them (if they wanted to do so) win over a lot of goodwill by pushing the private relay to a person&#x27;s full identity rather than just their e-mail. They&#x27;ve shown before they can make moonshot disruptions work if they&#x27;re so motivated (e.g. Apple Pay). Google is already doing this for phones with Google Voice. I&#x27;d pay for that service. I&#x27;d pay a <i>lot</i> for that, actually.
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thinkloop超过 4 年前
Instead of giving your contacts to facebook, why can&#x27;t facebook instead operate directly on them in your personal data store? Why does youtube know which videos I&#x27;ve liked but I don&#x27;t unless youtube allows me? Why is sharing my github repo something github has to do, and not me? Why are all my posts randomly dispersed and locked across multiple networks and not available for me to query and analyse as I see fit?<p>I hope eventually we all own and control our data while platforms are given limited access to it, rather than the other way around.
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littlestymaar超过 4 年前
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Rygian超过 4 年前
It is somewhat confusing that the documentation of a Personal Data Store server does not contain any reference to how a person would use it to store data.<p>From the demo video it seems more apt to consider it as a &quot;Broker of Personal Data,&quot; based on the examples shown where data is already stored in third party services, and the role of Personium is more oriented towards the grant&#x2F;deny&#x2F;revoke logic of data consumers attempting to access data.
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fsiefken超过 4 年前
How does this relate with Tim Berner-Lee&#x27;s and Inrupt&#x27;s open source Solid Pod initiative? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;inrupt.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;enterprise-solid-server" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;inrupt.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;enterprise-solid-server</a>
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sdevonoes超过 4 年前
My problem with all these &quot;personal data tracking&quot; systems is: if I have to enter the data manually, then I&#x27;m not going to do it.<p>It&#x27;s 2021 and we still need to enter manually &quot;ate 200gr of chicken for dinner&quot;. People, the problem is not how to store data, the problem is the input mechanism.
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eitland超过 4 年前
Seriously, based on the answers here we should all be storing our data offline.<p>Realistically what will happen if we don&#x27;t provide people with good self hosted free software is someone will instead provide them with Facebook and Google ad based software.
floatboth超过 4 年前
WebDAV and [expletive] OData??<p>How about <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;remotestorage.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;remotestorage.io</a>?
denton-scratch超过 4 年前
It&#x27;s troubling to me that I cannot find anything on the Personium website that explains who is behind Personium. There is a link on the nav menu labelled &lt;squiggle&gt;, which might be chinese characters, next to a link labelled &quot;English&quot; - so I suppose the project is run by some chinese team.<p>A bit more openness might not go amiss.
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2Gkashmiri超过 4 年前
I dont know... I find this sketchy as anything. Why do I need to keep a track of my purchases at a particular shop? Its not like I dont already know which shop sells cheapest bread, I dont want to track it at all.<p>I dont care how I drove or rode because I already did it and know. Keeping track of it for what? So my spouse can keep an eye on me? Or track of children?<p>What this project is &quot;aiming&quot; for is IMO solution to a problem that doesnt exist. Why? To build a market for themselves otherwise all this &quot;smarts&quot; that is thrown with iot is just used for data mining at a mass scale. Only projects like openhab make it selfhosted and your own.<p>Nothing personal about the team behind this but I am not sold. Sorry. I&#x27;d rather my data not be anywhere in the first place than be in a central location which now I have to guard against people. Sorry
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smarx007超过 4 年前
What is the difference from the Solid project?
la_fayette超过 4 年前
Seems quite a heavyweight implementation. E.g. nextcloud can be installed in a shared hosting environment. One should also consider the costs for hosting such a peraonal data store!
vorpalhex超过 4 年前
To be frank, this is so enterprise-y in their documentation without ever explaining the meat and bones that I instantly distrust it. I can&#x27;t even get a simple explanation of what this is in practice instead of &quot;BaaS PDDs!&quot;.<p>Also the requirements are almost goofy if they think this is going to be hosted individually...
hendi_超过 4 年前
This is just an empty, blank page.
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