Vivaldi 3.6 Introduces Two-Level Tab Stacks

The real solution Vivaldi offers to the tabpocalypse has been here for ages: tabs on the side instead of on top! We all have widescreen monitors now, so losing 50 or 100 pixels on the horizontal plane isn't really a big problem. And the tabs then become scrollable downwards, while still keeping their readability. It took me a couple of days to get used to them over on the sidebar, but I could never go back.

I’ve been using 2 hidden features in Chrome and Edge called Tab Groups and Minimize Tab Groups, which let you assign a bunch of tabs to a group and minimize them down to a size the length of text that you named that group. Color coding too. Game changer.<p>You can enable them in the chrome:&#x2F;&#x2F;flags and edge:&#x2F;&#x2F;flags.

I wrote a Firefox extension for exactly this almost 20 years ago back in their XUL iteration of extensions. Everything old is new again I guess. Brings back memories.

I want to give other browsers a try, especially Vivaldi with its many settings to fiddle. But Firefox&#x27;s multi-account containers add-on is a godsend since I have to switch between multiple accounts for work.

Tabs, bookmarks and browser history should be merged into a single interface. The difference between them is just quantitative.

Opera has, since a while, the concept of workspace. A vertical icon bar is created at the edge of the screen, which basically acts as if there were multiple windows where to group tabs by topic. For instance, personal, work, media, research, topic x, y, z. The only improvement I see would be to optionally isolate the workspace from one another (so as to have different sessions on the same websites).

How slow is Vivaldi:<p>Download fresh Vivaldi Stable - 3.6 (2165.34). Open non existent domain to land on a very light &quot;this page doesnt exist&quot; ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED error page. Start Cloning Tabs by Shift clicking in the Tab bar, then Right clicking and selecting Clone. First you clone one tab into two, then two into four, etc. At cloning 64 Tabs to 128 opening every new Tab will be taking ~1 second per Tab. Cloning up to 256 open tabs will take you anywhere between 5-15 minutes!!! At this point switching between Tabs will FREEZE UI for 8 seconds.<p>Let me repeat - EIGHT second freeze while switching between empty error page Tabs.<p>At all times Vivaldi UI will be freezing with one maxed out thread of 16 thread 4GHz CPU, other 15 threads resting at minimal load.<p>Right clicking on the first open tab and selecting &quot;close Tabs to the Right&quot; will close 255 Tabs at once - this will FREEZE UI for ~1.5 minutes. &gt;100 seconds of frozen UI while browser is closing 255 empty html only Tabs. Again one CPU thread maxed out, rest idle.<p>Welcome to a browser made using React framework.

Does anyone know if anything similar exists for firefox? I remember trying some such addons a while ago but they were all extremely laggy.

Talking about tabs can only remind me of how bad I am (was??) at hoarding them [0]. Years and years worth. All the best organization systems in the world can&#x27;t save you from clicking more and more. It was at least a little terrifying whenever I close Firefox and it says I&#x27;m closing 5 windows with 768 tabs (which it will restore, but I worry)...<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;article&#x2F;88adya&#x2F;death-by-1000-tabs-confessions-of-a-tab-hoarder" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;article&#x2F;88adya&#x2F;death-by-1000-tabs-co...</a>

“The solution to too many tabs is here – a second Tab Bar.”<p>Why stop at two?<p>If you think that this is the feature that you have been waiting for, maybe consider the possibility that browser tabs are not the ideal way to store and organize information.

Whenever we have a discussions on Browser and topic of too many Tabs comes up, there are always a small portion of HN user <i>suggest</i> to me and those who uses lots of tabs are using the browser <i>Wrong</i>, <i>ADHD</i> or having <i>mental</i> problem.<p>And should seek changing workflow or treatment.<p>I currently have a relatively small number of Tabs opened, 150. I guess to those who only have a few tabs open at max think of us as crazy or alien.

I am one of those that keeps everything in tabs (currently 856 open tabs in 31 windows on my MacBook)<p>And tabs are imho the perfect abstraction. This is misguided effort.<p>The issue is with the way multiple browser windows are managed. When I have many tabs I must have a way to manage many windows as well. Visually!<p>Whether these can and should be improved on a browser level I can’t say.<p>MacOS is already very very good at this and much better than anything else<p>I extensively use app expose and spaces to visually and spatially find what I need and structure my environment by projects and topics. I have everything I need exactly where I left it, together with all other applications and information that was related to it<p>Adding more management features should not be the responsibility of the browser. That’s why I‘ve never been a fan of any of the popular tab management extensions or browser features

Main link currently down... also discussed on The Verge:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;1&#x2F;28&#x2F;22253198&#x2F;vivaldi-web-browser-stacked-tabs-hoarding" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;1&#x2F;28&#x2F;22253198&#x2F;vivaldi-web-brow...</a>

I downloaded 3.6 because I read it has a very customizable interface. I wanted to add a feature, only to find out it already has it. Example; when I am browsing Twitter I want the bookmarks bar across the top to only have my Twitter folders. I can do this in Vivaldi by right clicking on my Twitter folder and selecting &quot;Set As Bookmark Bar Folder.&quot; Nice.

Tabs on the side is the real reason I am using Vivaldi as my primary browser. Tab stacks are useful, too, although I typically only use them when doing research of some kind.<p>Just installed the new version with two-level tab stacks, seems pretty cool so far, but not yet sure how useful they will be in day-to-day browsing.

Mirror: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20210128111931&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vivaldi.com&#x2F;whats-new-in-vivaldi-3-6&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20210128111931&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vivaldi.c...</a>

Does adding more visible tabs solves the problem of having too many tabs? If not, what is it for?

So this is basically Firefox&#x27; Tree Style Tabs but less powerful and embedded in a slower UI?<p>The one and only reason I stopped using Vivaldi every time I tried it is the performance. But it becomes more and more obvious the developers simply have different priorities.

I never understood how people not close (or bookmark) tabs. When I&#x27;m heavily working i have 20-30 tabs open. But after the work is done, i&#x27;ll close what I don&#x27;t need and bookmark the rest.<p>Then again I also tend not to have more than 5 mails in my inbox.

So, honest question... Why would one chose Vivaldi over Firefox (with Tree Style Tab)?

As someone with like 150+ tabs open in Firefox, I should probably be happy about this, but I&#x27;m not. Feels like they&#x27;re encouraging my sick obsession with tabs when I should in fact be put on rehab.

If you are interested in tab stacks or tiling, check out <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mlajtos&#x2F;mosaic" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mlajtos&#x2F;mosaic</a>

Does anyone else remember how, in old Opera, tabs could overflow into multiple lines? Good days.

I remember this as a Firefox plugin back in the early 2000&#x27;s. Why is this news?

what is their business model? ,i&#x27;m not able to find anything related to it. Firefox runs on donation, google runs on tracking, vivaldi seems not have both based on their about page

That has to be the best feature of vivaldi. Default browser for two years.

It is called bookmarks, I really don&#x27;t get the tabpocalypse.

Been using Workona on Edge. Helps a lot.

forgive my ignorance, but why are these browsers based on chromium only? cant they build on firefox codebase just like palemoon and basilisk, waterfox, seamonkey, iceweasel?<p>if these small browsers can be working products with bare minimum staff, why cant vivaldi or opera or whatever do the same? is it because of &quot;oh, firefox bad&quot; thing ? or something else?