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Zone of Death (Yellowstone)

96 点作者 yawz超过 4 年前

17 条评论

BitwiseFool超过 4 年前
Let's assume a court convicted someone of murder within this zone. Let's also assume the evidence was overwhelming and the act was premeditated because the murderer had knowledge of the Sixth Amendment and this loophole. The case makes it's way to the Supreme Court. But because of the bizarre nature of the loophole SCOTUS simply chooses not to hear appeal and lets the conviction stand. This is how the law could be enforced while technically violating the Sixth Amendment.
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ceilingcorner超过 4 年前
I think technical people are fascinated by this zone because we like rules and thus anything that has a unique set of rules is interesting. The reality, though, is that legislation isn’t code, the Constitution is violated all the time, and most legal codes are more like suggestions.<p>While this sounds dystopian, it is probably actually preferable to a state that enforces all of its laws to the letter.
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RcouF1uZ4gsC超过 4 年前
&gt; A federal judge ruled that Belderrain could be tried in the U.S. District Court for the District of Wyoming, despite the Sixth Amendment problem. Belderrain cited Kalt&#x27;s paper &quot;The Perfect Crime&quot; to explain why he believed it was illegal to have his trial with a jury from a state other than where the crime was committed. The court dismissed this argument.<p>Judges especially Federal judges are far less impressed by &quot;hacks&quot; and &quot;loopholes&quot; of the system, than most programmers.<p>There is no chance they will let a premeditated murder go unpunished on the basis of some obscure technicality like this.
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pixelbreaker超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve cycled through here when racing Tour Divide (I think it just goes through the bottom of the zone). I should have murdered all the other racers.
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ballenf超过 4 年前
Such a terrible moniker for this swath of land where assembling a jury for a criminal trial would be difficult if not impossible.<p>&quot;Death&quot; is just related to one of the possible crimes that would be problematic to prosecute.<p>But even so, the way plea deals work a defendant would have to be quite idealistic or dumb to go to trial with that as a sole defense.<p>This is the only time in history when a headline like &quot;Yellowstone&#x27;s one weird trick they don&#x27;t want you to know&quot; would actually be kind of true.
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BurningFrog超过 4 年前
Surely there are more interesting crimes than murder to use such an area for?<p>One complication is that if you have a permanent crime facility there, like a meth lab, the FBI can just go there and kill you.
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sandworm101超过 4 年前
There is another loophole to this loophole. Yes, there is a requirement that the jury come from people who live in the area, but that does not extend to saying that they have to have been living there <i>at the time of the crime</i>. If push comes to shove, the government can probably arrange to have a sufficient jury pool move into the area prior to jury selection. It would be a comically expensive thing to do but possible.
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Apocryphon超过 4 年前
So if a supervillain was to try to trigger a massive eruption within the Yellowstone Caldera by detonating a weapon inside [0], they could drill to it via the Zone of Death?<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jonnyquest.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Edge_of_Yesterday?file=Edge_of_Yesterday_script_page_3.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jonnyquest.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Edge_of_Yesterday?fil...</a>
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littlestymaar超过 4 年前
Depending of what crime you commit, you could still be prosecuted… in another country where the principle of _universal juridiction_[1] applies.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Universal_jurisdiction#Australia" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Universal_jurisdiction#Austral...</a>
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8732698216超过 4 年前
&gt; No known felonies have been committed in the Zone of Death since Kalt&#x27;s discovery. However, a poacher named Michael Belderrain illegally shot an elk in the Montana section of Yellowstone. While that section of the park does have enough residents to form a jury, it might be difficult to put together a standing and fair one due to travel or unwillingness of members of the small population there to serve. A federal judge ruled that Belderrain could be tried in the U.S. District Court for the District of Wyoming, despite the Sixth Amendment problem. Belderrain cited Kalt&#x27;s paper &quot;The Perfect Crime&quot; to explain why he believed it was illegal to have his trial with a jury from a state other than where the crime was committed. The court dismissed this argument. Belderrain took a plea deal conditioned on him not appealing the Zone of Death issue to the 10th Circuit, and the issue was left unresolved.<p>This (and countless other actions) show how meaningless laws are as anything but an arbitrary threat of force. Governments and other organizations that make laws don&#x27;t consider themselves bound by them, and why should they? They are institutions of force, not reason. An accusation of hypocrisy does nothing against a gun.
fasteddie31003超过 4 年前
This name will be more descriptive when Yellowstone erupts in 1,000&#x27;s of years in the future.
xwdv超过 4 年前
It&#x27;s like a real life PVP zone.
arithmomachist超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m a little surprised no one has fought a duel there.
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DougN7超过 4 年前
How is this different from a crime that happens in the middle of nowhere somewhere else? There are lots of places with no inhabitants and no courts.
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paulsutter超过 4 年前
SpaceX&#x27;s Starlink means that high speed internet is possible in even this remote area.....<p>Not suggesting any shady services be located there, just sayin&#x27;
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nix23超过 4 年前
So i can kill someone in international waters or on the moon? ...just in america...
SigmundA超过 4 年前
Ah so that&#x27;s where the train station is...