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Ford Makes $29B Commitment to Electric and Self-Driving Cars

104 点作者 lazycrazyowl超过 4 年前

14 条评论

prostoalex超过 4 年前
It seems like I’ve seen this movie before. A large automotive consortium puts out an optimistic press release announcing its full commitment to EVs <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.greencarreports.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;1086902_volkswagen-will-be-the-biggest-electric-car-maker-in-2018-it-says" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.greencarreports.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;1086902_volkswagen-will...</a><p>Then it turns out that the primary cost contributor to an EV is the cost of batteries. Automakers being relative nobodies on the lithium market, they are paying retail for it and passing the mark-ups to you, the consumer.<p>At that point compromises must be made, and the announced vehicles advertise either an unimpressive range or some atrocious price sticker or both. The market compares the $&#x2F;mile-of-total-tange, at which point Tesla emerges as being fairly competitive on price.<p>The large company discontinues the vehicle lineup, citing overrun cost issues and market disinterest for EVs save for a few Tesla fanboy diehards.
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rswail超过 4 年前
Has anyone noticed that Ford and GM have made commitments to EV just after the change of administration?<p>Given that the new administration has already committed to moving the Federal fleet to EVs and is going &quot;all in&quot; on full commitment to reducing emissions, this is positioning by the auto manufacturers.<p>There is also now alignment between the Californian emission standards and the Federal government, which means that there is going to be downward pressure on the auto manufacturers overall emission profile. CAFE standard excluded &quot;trucks&quot; which is why the F150 etc are the &quot;best sellers&quot;. If there was a move to include them in the overall emission standards, the move to EV would be substantially accelerated.<p>Just like Shell and others in the oil&#x2F;energy markets are realigning, so to are the primary manufacturers of emissions generating technology.
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ashtonkem超过 4 年前
Well, yeah. Any sane large car manufacturer knows that you <i>have</i> to make at least a good line of EVs in the near future, otherwise your company is dead.<p>By the by, it’s generally believed that Ford poured money into Rivian with the plan to turn their vehicles into electric trucks.
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Animats超过 4 年前
They slipped another year? <i>&quot;During its announcement, Ford also reminded us that the electric version of its cash cow, the F-150, is slated to go into production in mid-2022.</i> Not the 2022 model year, which begins in September of 2021.<p>Jeep pulled that stunt. 2018: “In addition to the all-new mild hybrid Wrangler, a full plug in electric Jeep Wrangler will be available in 2020”. That slipped to 2022. Worse, &quot;2022 will introduce electric powertrain that will be available exclusively on the Rubicon trim level.&quot;, which means paying at least 75% more.<p>I was ready to buy one of those. My existing Jeep Wrangler is coming up on 15 years. But no. They&#x27;re pushing &quot;mild hybrids&quot; this year, which will be obsolete before they are fully debugged.
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dragosmocrii超过 4 年前
What are your favorite battery related stocks? Lithium mining companies? I&#x27;ve been reading on solid state batteries to find some new trends, but it seems they are using same composition as lithium ion technology.
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InTheArena超过 4 年前
The patterns only going to become more pronounced from here on out. My guess is that we’re going to See a electric bulbs style phase out of gasoline engines announced over the next two years. If I’m Ford or GM I’m gonna try and get my hands on some of that sweet sweet tesla speculation cash in the form of a buy out as quickly as possible. Solves the technology platform problems too. If VW couldn’t handle it, why do you think GM or Ford could?
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Ralo超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve been a car guy since my teens, and have nearly everyone around me be some sort of mechanic but I&#x27;ve wondered a couple things about why electric vehicles will have mass appeal.<p>Most electric vehicles seem to have their value based in the battery pack, but these batteries packs have a life span of 10~ years, right? Do these vehicles have zero value after ten years (assuming the batteries are bad then), high mileage or not?<p>I managed to save thousands of dollars in high school&#x2F;university just driving a beater and fixing it as stuff broke, but an electric vehicle isn&#x27;t something that can be casually repaired right? Even if in 20-30 years when parts are cheap and plentiful, you need to be a skilled engineer (or at least highly trained) to do these repairs right?<p>When the world is swapped to electric vehicles, can our grid handle that? and if so, why wouldn&#x27;t our local governments be increasing our electric bills? I cannot see how it would be cheaper than gas, sure some charging stations are free now because it niche, but it wont be in the future.<p>I&#x27;m not against electric vehicles, but I just see this hurting low-income people.
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Sherl超过 4 年前
I wish auto manufacturers focused on extending EV range then FSD. the buzz so much but nobody is bothered about bringing extended range to masses. People who want entry level ev can&#x27;t sit for 40 minutes every week at a supercharger.
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jeffbee超过 4 年前
If this strikes you as a lot of money, consider that the big three cloud operators are spending one hundred billion per year on capital.
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agleason超过 4 年前
I really love the F-150 and it&#x27;s size, but I don&#x27;t need all the power it comes with and would love it to be a little more fuel efficient. I realize the coming hybrid model is going to be a fortune more than the non hybrid, but I am curious how expensive an all-electric model will be.
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nikolay超过 4 年前
Electric cars - I get it... but who would in their right mind let their Ford drive itself?! Why is the self-driving a thing mostly in America? Don&#x27;t people here enjoy driving? If they don&#x27;t, why not focus on the more economical and environmentally-friendly mass transit instead? In Europe, people get a car and get behind the wheel, because they enjoy the experience, not because it gets them in the most efficient way from point A to point B. Or maybe in the last 20+ years I&#x27;ve been living in the States things have changed back in Europe?
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kukabynd超过 4 年前
They should have done that in 2012, not in 2021. Incumbents are too comfy.
seibelj超过 4 年前
EVs make sense but at this point self driving cars are fantasy vaporware. Executives should be tired of embarrassing themselves in public with grand pronouncements of “just 6 more months!” by this point.
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Hypocritelefty超过 4 年前
This definitely exposes the Tesla shills on hacker news lol lol
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