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Spy pixels in emails have become endemic

59 点作者 plg大约 4 年前

12 条评论

samizdis大约 4 年前
Thread here from nine days ago with 324 comments:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26162513" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26162513</a>
musicale大约 4 年前
I am convinced the only way to shut this down is probably for Apple and Microsoft to band together and remove support for external content entirely from Mail and Outlook.<p>Sure all (intrusive, privacy-violating) newsletters and email messages will turn into &quot;click to read&quot; links, but that&#x27;s probably a better situation than what we have now.
SavantIdiot大约 4 年前
Gmail and Runbox both allow the user to not download images (this is the default and is opt-in per sender). I assume this protects anyone using their readers, yes?
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dheera大约 4 年前
PSA: you can disable automatic loading of images in Gmail. PLEASE do this NOW and end this horrible privacy practice which enables stalkers and numerous other behaviors.<p>I would start a Twitter storm but I&#x27;m not famous enough on Twitter to do that. Here is the setting you want:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;dheeranet&#x2F;status&#x2F;1163542814233223168" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;dheeranet&#x2F;status&#x2F;1163542814233223168</a>
throwaway8581大约 4 年前
Yet iOS still downloads pictures in emails by default.
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temp667大约 4 年前
Interesting - we used to have tracking pixels and now we have upgraded to active code spy pixels?<p>Tracking pixels go way back, they were used primarily for deliverability and engagement analysis.<p>The article says that now the sender can see what street you are on. I thought google proxied these so you got a google IP - how do they defeat google&#x27;s proxy? Also you would think that most email providers would filter out spyware - I have not picked up any of these spy pixels through google so far.
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hpb42大约 4 年前
As an end user, what can I do to help reducing tracking in e-mails?<p>Politely sending and email to Company Foo? What are good arguments to write in there, so that _anyone_ working in Company Foo can understand the problem?<p>I don&#x27;t expect companies to start using plain text in emails, although I&#x27;d love that...
jlokier大约 4 年前
I was amused by a financial service I use that sent me a mail expressing <i>concern</i> that I wasn&#x27;t opening their mail (which I had subscribed to).<p>I was reading them all along. They just didn&#x27;t know, and assumed I wasn&#x27;t opening them. I was, but not the tracking pixel.
networkimprov大约 4 年前
This is a pure puff piece for a new webmail app. I&#x27;d love to know how the BBC (of all outlets) came to publish this article.<p>If I may say so, the mnm project also deserves coverage like this. It prevents spy-pixels, and phishing, and provides unsubscribe (from threads, or senders, or whole sites). And a heck of a lot more :-)<p><i>mnm</i>, an open source project to replace email &amp; SMTP:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mnmnotmail.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mnmnotmail.org</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;mnmnotmail" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;mnmnotmail</a>
Hydraulix989大约 4 年前
I disabled downloading images in Gmail a while ago to work around thism
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chasd00大约 4 年前
i thought not downloading images in email was the default in pretty much all clients since.. maybe 2005? Am i wrong?
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peter_d_sherman大约 4 年前
These exist because <i>Internet email was never properly designed in the first place</i>(!) -- initially, a long time ago, there was no way to know if a recipient opened your Internet (SMTP&#x2F;POP3) email (compare this to a Bloomberg terminal or Microsoft Outlook, where emails to other users of the same email system would return a return receipt automatically in the case of Bloomberg, and if requested by the sender, in the case of Outlook...)<p>But the tracking pixels, aka, &quot;spy pixels&quot; -- are there to get around this earlier limitation...<p>The way it works: A link to an image, an image hosted somewhere else on the Internet, is placed in an email. Well, now the email system needs to display that image, so when the message is opened, the URL for the image is opened, and if that&#x27;s a unique URL -- then it can be tied to a specific piece of email -- in effect letting the party on the other end know that you opened the email, when your email client went out to the Internet to fetch the graphics for the image...<p>Is that good or bad?<p>Well, it depends on one&#x27;s point of view...<p>Certainly it&#x27;s bad for privacy... but what about transactions in business where one party needs to know that the other party received something important?<p>You could compare this to asking UPS or the Post Office to put package tracking on a package, which is a very beneficial service to businesses, because it lets them know that a package they have sent is now in the customer&#x27;s hands, and their responsibility (at least as far as shipping and getting it into their customer hands) is now over...<p>Certainly you would want to know if an intended recipient actually received Bitcoin, or other digital currency you sent, as part of an online transaction you were involved in...<p>Also, by reciprocity, if you wanted that, then by reciprocity you should also be OK with other senders&#x2F;counterparties in digital currency transactions with you -- being able to know with certainty if you had received the Bitcoin or other digital currency that they had sent...<p>It&#x27;s almost the same thing...<p>People should not blame the Internet for inventing this &quot;creative work around&quot; for tracking -- for the Internet&#x27;s earlier invention of email which didn&#x27;t know if anyone received an email or not...<p>A well-designed future email system -- permits message tracking as an option -- but doesn&#x27;t force it down users&#x27; throats without consent.<p>Also, a well-designed future email system -- would permit a high degree of granularity on what the end user wants to allow others to track and what they don&#x27;t...<p>For example, they might set the system so that their friends and family (or other whitelist of names) could receive automatic confirmation when their messages are received, opened, etc. -- but this wouldn&#x27;t happen for unknown&#x2F;unsolicited senders...<p>But anyway, that&#x27;s &quot;why&quot; of the &quot;spy&quot;...<p>...pixel, that is... &lt;g&gt;
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