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Ask HN: How could capitalism be improved?

17 点作者 furrowedbrow大约 4 年前
Probably in a lot of ways, but to me some of the main issues seem to be (1) incentivizing short-term thinking; (2) locality mismatching, ie certain communities spending money on businesses whose owners live and spend elsewhere -- this is probably offset in many cases, I'm not sure; and (3) not accounting for externalized expenses, ie pollution and other drags on human/environmental well-being. I don't know what the solutions would look like for the first two, and attempts are being made at solving the third, but I'm curious if other people have thoughts on it that don't involve pivoting to ideological extremes. In case this does generate a discussion try to avoid sarcasm, straw-man, ad hominem, and moving goal posts...

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preommr大约 4 年前
My ideas:<p>* Tax monopolies more heavily and redistribute that money in the same area. Take from Google, and give it to competitors like DDG, even Bing, and even back into Google.<p>* Heavily socialize basic things like transport, telecommunications and education. These are things that help foster growth from independent sources.<p>* The environmental issue is tricky. I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s possible to deal with until things get really bad, at which point it&#x27;ll be quite late. Hopefully not to the point where we go extinct (unlikely) but probably where millions will die (directly or indirectly). Until then, I don&#x27;t know if there&#x27;s much that can be done.
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brendanyounger大约 4 年前
For (1) universal basic income is a step in the right direction. The less pressure there is to provide the basic necessities, the less need to take unproductive or unfulfilling jobs.<p>For (2) advanced economies are becoming more service heavy rather than production heavy. Many services are less location-dependent than goods production and therefore money can flow to more locales. (e.g. I know a few folks who are programmers + small scale farmers)<p>And (3) is hopefully becoming more important as the scale of the externalities increase (e.g. Chinese pollution hurts the whole world, not just China).
effie大约 4 年前
We are already looking at it, in China. The communist party is probably the only force preventing capitalism there from devolving into a thinly veiled oligarchy with the problems you mention we have in the west and in Russia.<p>They seem to be good at 1) long-term thinking, investing all around the world and building infrastructure 2) preventing people from moving out to big cities away from their birthplace 3) seem to be interested in addressing pollution externalities, building nuclear energy power plants fast.<p>They are still a massive polluter, so they are not perfect, and the political system is probably not a western liberal ideal, but we can and should learn from them.<p>The better capitalism will probably be less of capitalism and oligarchy, and more of a powerful social democracy state.
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giantg2大约 4 年前
In response to your #1, is there an alternative structure that doesn&#x27;t promote short term thinking? I think this is generally human nature.<p>For #2, I think this problem exists globally. Money moves around, a lot. You can see it at the national level via trade surpluses or deficits. I&#x27;m not sure anything will really change that (other types of political structures have the issue, and many tariffs don&#x27;t produce the intended results.<p>Regarding #3, everything has externalities. I don&#x27;t actually see much being truly done for these issues - it shifts from one thing to another. The main way to reduce externalities is to reduce consumption, but I don&#x27;t really see that happening. For example, EVs release less CO2, but still use rubber, the electric can come from coal, the lithium causes environmental issues in places like Chile. Is it a step in the right direction? I think so. Is the benefit really as good as its hyped up to be? I think not.
thepete2大约 4 年前
Capital is free to move around while people are often held in place by borders. If people were free to cross borders capital would have to compete for people instead of people and countries competing for capital.
perilunar大约 4 年前
I think Henry George had it right. We need to eliminate income and sales taxes, and tax land and other natural resources instead.
miguelrochefort大约 4 年前
1. Improve forecasting and prediction technology.<p>2. I’m not sure that’s a problem.<p>3. Pollution is vandalism. Treat it as such, using fines or taxes.
ploika大约 4 年前
I suppose it depends on where you live. The USA, France and South Korea all have different experiences of what capitalism means, to give three examples.<p>The economics articles that I&#x27;ve read generally suggest that you need laws and taxes that work against its excesses - workers&#x27; rights, environmental protection, consumer protection etc. These should be capable of being amended to address new problems as they arrive.<p>Regulation and taxation are rarely popular things on this corner of the internet but they&#x27;re useful tools to tackle some hard problems.
IndySun大约 4 年前
Maybe first ask, what is wrong about it?
Context_free大约 4 年前
Some thinking is inherent to the societies where capitalist relations or feudal relations or slave&#x2F;master relations or hunter-gatherer band relations predominate. Short-term thinking, centralization and environmental externalities have been hallmarks of capitalism for centuries. Some things only change when relations of production go from one form to another.<p>One question is - what has improved under capitalism? That children don&#x27;t have to go to dangerous, Dickensian factories is one improvement. Between labor agitation and capitalists realizing a literate population was more profitable, this changed in industrialized countries.
keiferski大约 4 年前
I think consumerism specifically is more of an issue than capitalism, at least when it comes to pollution and the environment. People often conflate the two, but consumerism is a more recent phenomenon largely dependent on marketing and FOMO.<p>So, one way of improving it would be the widespread adoption of minimalism as a value. This seemed to be happening a few years ago with Marie Kondo et al., but I&#x27;m not sure if it has maintained momentum. Of course, it&#x27;s also antithetical to the way Western capitalist economies are set up, so in the short term, a turn toward more <i>digital</i> consumption and less <i>physical</i> consumption might be helpful.
a3n大约 4 年前
Make <i>every</i> transaction public.
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amai大约 4 年前
Image having a sports league with only 5 teams. Do you think there would be a lot of competition?<p>So one very important way to improve capitalism is to break up monopolies and oligopolies much earlier and drastically than it is done nowadays. This is even more important in IT, with its winner-takes-it-all-market.
potta_coffee大约 4 年前
We have a lot of crony capitalism, big corps in bed with government. I think there&#x27;s a lot we could do to improve that situation but the fox is watching the hen house.
kleer001大约 4 年前
Capitalism its self is fine. Just as water is fine. It needs to be properly regulated. And regulations rely on federal&#x2F;local culture. What works for the French isn&#x27;t going to work for Peruvians isn&#x27;t going to work for Nigerians.<p>100% recycle:<p>Remove unpaid externalities. Price in everything down to the exhaust and the packaging. Every manufacturer needs to be responsible for all of what they sell, make sure its all recyclable&#x2F;reclaimable.<p>True responsibility:<p>Make CO level suite leaders personally responsible when they mess up big enough. Mostly in terms of negligence and loss of life. Things like Bhopal, heads should roll.<p>Firewall between politics and money:<p>Nothing&#x27;s going to work if the people running it can be bribed (or any other similar term). Have an election? Here&#x27;s a pool of tax money and advertisers have to provide discounted time and space.