Gnome 40

I would like to thank the Gnome community for this release! I can&#x27;t wait to upgrade to Fedora 34 to use it.<p>I use Mac OS daily on my work computer and Gnome daily on my personal computer. Yes, I know there are a lot of Linux open source applications that are not very polished, but the quality in Gnome and its core applications is extremely high. There are even some things that Gnome does better than Mac OS.<p>Now, you might not like Gnome and that&#x27;s perfectly fine. Fortunately, Linux is the land of choice and there is an alternative for every person. It baffles me to come here and read so much negativity! Come on! this is a big milestone for a community that has been working a lot to bring you something of quality for free! They have been doing this for decades already and they have put a lot of effort and love into this. How many open source projects fail to abandonment after just a few months?<p>Why is it that so many people in internet communities such as HN can&#x27;t take a minute to appreciate the effort and instead the <i>only</i> thing that they are motivated to do is to nit-pick something and trash. Criticism is always welcome, there are even some appropriate channels to do it, but seriously why is this the <i>only</i> thing that you are able to say about a community driven product? Why is there only space for negativity? Why not a small &quot;thanks&quot; or &quot;I liked that feature&quot; before your criticism? They are bringing this thing for you for free, why can&#x27;t you at least say something nice?

Have they fixed the file chooser yet?<p>Specifically, I want to be able to click around on directories to choose where to save a file, type the file name, then press enter. This should save the file, not filter the directory listing.<p>Also, I don’t want it to default to overwriting some file I saved last week.

GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jayfax.neocities.org&#x2F;mediocrity&#x2F;gnome-has-no-thumbnails-in-the-file-picker.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jayfax.neocities.org&#x2F;mediocrity&#x2F;gnome-has-no-thumbna...</a>

What&#x27;s with the change over to these &#x27;40&#x27; style naming schemes? I absolutely detest it if it&#x27;s not done for a real reason.<p>Firstly, without major versions it does not single anything to end users and end developers. Is &#x27;40&#x27; still mostly compatible with the gnome 3.x.x API? Is there a major divergence between 40 and 41? Is 41 and 40 a total rewrite?<p>3.x.x works and there&#x27;s a reason why. It conveys a lot of information quickly and is well understood.<p>reducing things down to a single number is meaningless and clearly branding drivel. I guess they want to obfuscate as much as possible and dumb things down for users like they have been doing for close to a decade.<p>Yawn

Been a few years since I’ve used Gnome, I hadn’t realized they’d pivoted so much to following MacOS.<p>It looks like they’ve taken a lot of the best parts of MacOS and built something really nice atop it.

Topmost bar still consists of lots of unused space with clock in the center — a design decision surely copied from old mobile phones. Too much of screen space is wasted, in the most &quot;expensive&quot; area, where &quot;Rule of the infinite edges&quot; of Fitts&#x27;s law applies.

Can they add a toggle that switches between these &quot;fat&quot; top window bars and &quot;skinny&quot; top window bars? Basically strip out about 90% of the extra padding from buttons and bars and compress the UI down to what OS 10.6&#x2F;7&#x2F;8 use. Otherwise I always have to tack on a theme just to fix this one issue.<p>Realistically, how many people are using Gnome on touch screen displays? Personally I always use it on a laptop so 90% of their touch screen optimizations, like bloated bars, end up wasting screen real estate.

The open windows don&#x27;t even have visible taskbar buttons in the fancy presentation it shows at the top<p>I have no idea how you can productively work that way<p>The reason for getting 4K monitors is not to have <i>less</i> stuff that can make you productive visible<p>KDE 3.5 was the top of OSS desktops, in my opinion

Ubuntu user here.<p>Was looking for when this GNOME version will be integrated to Ubuntu to check them out, it will not land in the next Ubuntu version.<p>&gt; Ubuntu 21.04 will NOT include GNOME 40. Bew Ubuntu releases typically include the newest GNOME release but this time it won’t. Why? Well, GNOME 40 features bold design changes that Ubuntu devs feel they need more time to ‘adapt’ to. [1]<p>Overall I like the refresh, but for me the real UX test is when you use it for a week&#x2F;month. Will have to wait!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.omgubuntu.co.uk&#x2F;2021&#x2F;01&#x2F;ubuntu-21-04-release-features" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.omgubuntu.co.uk&#x2F;2021&#x2F;01&#x2F;ubuntu-21-04-release-fea...</a>

I love that they are making the compose key feature more discoverable. It&#x27;s the best way to type strange characters like å, ř or ©.

I installed the Fedora 34 Beta yesterday, and I am really impressed. I thought the move to a horizontal workspace from years of using the vertical one would be a big change but it really feels quite a lot better. Everything is also just snappier, more responsive and smoother overall - probably in no small part due to GTK4 being hardware accelerated now.<p>Overall system performance is fantastic so far with Fedora 34, super excited to keep tinkering with it.<p>Great work by the Gnome Team, and I&#x27;m super excited for the future of Gnome!

It&#x27;s interesting to see the focus on these desktop management features. I&#x27;ve been a long time macOS user and have never found &quot;Launchpad&quot;, &quot;Mission Control &#x2F; Expose&quot;, or &quot;multiple Desktops&quot; useful in practice. I just use multiple monitors with everything I need on them in the same workspace. Do you guys actually use these features? I find the contextual switching distracting.

I like the look of a lot of these changes.<p>if the Pop!_Shell extensions get made mainline in addition to the changes here, I will probably go from disliking&#x2F;tolerating vanilla GNOME to possibly daily driving.

I was a bit sceptical, but I have to say that the horizontal workspaces work pretty well. Working with GNOME 40 is both efficient and aesthetically pleasing. And as a side note performance is much better too on Fedora 34.

Back in the GNOME 3 debut days, the joke was that GNOME 4 would be just a black screen, the ultimate result of removing superfluous options and features and making a system that is as easy to use as possible.

It looks heavily inspired by macOS. Especially if you scroll down to the “Core Apps” section. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

I just want to mention, if you feel there&#x27;s some excessive padding and it&#x27;s a waste of space (especially vertically), I suggest you take a look at a compact theme at GNOME Look.<p>Currently, not all themes work properly with GTK 4, but they will eventually get there. Personally, I use the Mojave-gtk-theme. It wastes no space and is beautifully designed.<p>[edited for grammar]

Still no match for Gnome 2&#x27;s UI. RIP that old interface, the best of the *nix desktops.

I dunno which it is, but the typography&#x2F;font rendering is just jarring in these screens. I imagine there&#x27;s a bunch of hacking you can do to make it look crisper&#x2F;aligned but no way I&#x27;d have time for that.

If it&#x27;s meant to be distraction-free then why the panel? In traditional WMs it could show running apps or the application menu you would use somewhat actively, now it only shows the clock (which I find useful but unnecessary - not worth dedicating an entire panel) and some indicators I certainly don&#x27;t need to see all the time. The whole dash is also an additional entity of questionable value - I never felt like I need a full-screen launcher nor a full-screen workspace switcher.

Gnome really needs a way to restore windows after restart (especially Nautilus windows with tabs), otherwise using multiple workspaces becomes annoying as soon as Ubuntu performs an upgrade that requires you to restart. Mac OS handles this pretty well.

&quot;Switch workspaces faster than ever with the handy new Super + Alt + Scroll shortcut.&quot; that&#x27;s going to suck for left-handed mouse users as &quot;super&quot; tends to not be accessible with the non-mouse hand on most compact keyboards.

One of the best things about macOS is how well integrated the touchpad is with the desktop environment. As in, I can do the four-finger swipe to move between workspaces, and if I drag it slowly and halfway, then yank back, the animation will follow my movements exactly.<p>Seems Gnome now has a bunch of those features. Are there any touchpads for which it&#x27;s this well integrated and works? Or is it the same that it&#x27;s always been: there&#x27;s some kind of binary &quot;gesture&quot; recognizer that is then executed with a pretty animation?<p>This is one of the biggest things keeping me on macOS at the moment.

Kind of interesting and surprising that Gnome has gradually moved from a traditional Windows desktop look to a more macOS style with gestures and exposé included.

When will this be fixed - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugzilla.gnome.org&#x2F;show_bug.cgi?id=679658#c10" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugzilla.gnome.org&#x2F;show_bug.cgi?id=679658#c10</a> ?

am I being too conservative using stock XFCE?.. maybe missing something

I feel really stupid to ask , but can I install this on Windows.

Is Meta+Alt+Left&#x2F;Right a new standard? Last I recall was Ctrl+Alt+Left&#x2F;Right in Gnome2 days (which is what I have configured it to in KDE).

This looks really cool, but how do I get it? Is it out yet? The page is pretty unclear.

&gt; GNOME 40 will be coming to a distribution near you in the <i>coming weeks</i><p>laughs in Debian

Can you use Super (Cmd) as the modifier key yet? E.g. Cmd-c to copy?

There is little usability in Gnome, just I think it is better.

Is it faster though?

I was brought up on Gnome but after using Cinnamon, it&#x27;s hard to go back. Better applets, better window management, easier default keyboard shortcuts. Little slower, though.

So not ergonomic and osx copycat compared to gnome 2.<p>So sad...