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Google is testing its new ad targeting tech in millions of browsers

115 点作者 tbodt大约 4 年前

16 条评论

Varriount大约 4 年前
For those who feel a bit out-of-the-loop, this excerpt pretty much sums up why the EFF feels that this is, if not worse than 3rd party cookies, not significantly better:<p><pre><code> The proposal rests on the assumption that people in “sensitive categories” will visit specific “sensitive” websites, and that people who aren’t in those groups will not visit said sites. But behavior correlates with demographics in unintuitive ways. It&#x27;s highly likely that certain demographics are going to visit a different subset of the web than other demographics are, and that such behavior will not be captured by Google’s “sensitive sites” framing. For example, people with depression may exhibit similar browsing behaviors, but not necessarily via something as explicit and direct as, for example, visiting “depression.org.” Meanwhile, tracking companies are well-equipped to gather traffic from millions of users, link it to data about demographics or behavior, and decode which cohorts are linked to which sensitive traits. Google’s website-based system, as proposed, has no way of stopping that. </code></pre> The way I interpret this is that, based on your browsing history in Chrome (or any browser that implements this kind of functionality) you are placed into a number of categories (or, if one reverses the metaphor, a number of descriptive tags are attached to you). Google is aiming to ensure that certain categories&#x2F;tags that might be considered sensitive (mental state, physical illnesses, etc.) will be blocked.<p>(To be clear, this is my interpretation of what they are stating, not an assertion of fact)<p>The EFF is arguing that this isn&#x27;t really that straightforward, as sensitive details can still be inferred from non-sensitive details.<p>What I&#x27;m curious about is, who is doing all the ID generation, categorization, and data centralization? Or is Chrome just going to calculate everything itself, then send the data to sites that ask for it?
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gerbler大约 4 年前
I&#x27;m really missing why FLoC is a bad thing.<p>Isn&#x27;t bundling users into buckets good for individual privacy? In theory if the bucket is too small you are identifiable, but my understanding is that the entire premise of this approach is to ensure that is not the case.
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1vuio0pswjnm7大约 4 年前
A www browser that sends your browsing history to an advertising services company. I can recall a time when this would not be acceptable to www users. Today, www users accept a www browser provided by an advertising services company that, as one might expect, records and uses your browsing history to sell online ad services.
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EMM_386大约 4 年前
Note this all occurs client-side, which means that it only affects browsers that implement FLoC.<p>You can opt-out of this (for now) in Chrome by disabling third-party cookies.<p>You can also simply use another browser such as Firefox.
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gbil大约 4 年前
Since Edge is using the same (mostly) source code, can we assume that some of the test users are from the Edge side too - or other Chromium based browsers - or limited to Chrome? Quick search didn&#x27;t clarify this
nextstep大约 4 年前
As an iOS and Mac user, I use Safari now 100% for browsing. It has basically all of the features I need.<p>I think Firefox has improved significantly in recent years as well, but I haven&#x27;t used it in a while.
radiKal07大约 4 年前
Good thing I switched to Safari, I don&#x27;t miss anything from Chrome
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visarga大约 4 年前
So, before we were being followed opportunistically by many advertisers, but no one had full information. Now Google is going to classify all of us for any company who wants to know. That&#x27;s a net loss of privacy.<p>The flock system sounds like the Chinese social credit score. I&#x27;m wondering what things will be conditioned on FlockID. There are going to be elite flocks and worthless flocks. &quot;Sorry, our services are available only to flock-3453 and flock-2234. Losers like flock-23232 need not come.&quot;
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LordHeini大约 4 年前
Since the tracking runs on the client now. Would it not be easy to write a browser plugin reporting fake flocs?<p>Not sure if it would suffice to just overwrite the document.interestCohort(); function and have it report something trollish.<p>Since a cohort is rather small could a botnet be sufficiently large, to create its own private cohorts and mess up a lot of add deliveries?
magicroot75大约 4 年前
Could someone help me understand this? Will a user be assigned one floc ID, or multiple? Or is a floc ID a unique ID to a single user?<p>It seems like if each user only gets a single floc grouping, that this is more private than a system like FB, where any given user could be part of thousands of different targetable &quot;interest groups.&quot; Am I missing something? On FB, for instance, I could be targeted for liking Infinite Jest. And separately for like Mountain Biking. And separately for living in Pennsylvania. It seems like Google is doing a lot to obscure the user information into a data black box. Maybe I don&#x27;t get the idea.
dgan大约 4 年前
I feel like a more acceptable solution would be simply to ask user un what category he wants to be put in?.. I know may sound naive, but why not?<p>This effectively solves the question of optout as i can choose to use default value so that i am indistinguishable from thousands other people This also clearly allows for some targeted ads that user does actually care about. I don&#x27;t mind seeing ads for technology, but all those &quot;You wouldn&#x27;t believe this!! 11&quot;, and &quot;Look, penis!!&quot; are just insult to humanity.<p>I know it&#x27;s still ads. But i have an impression it&#x27;s ao much better solution
alfiedotwtf大约 4 年前
Let&#x27;s hope Google&#x27;s FLoC is as successful as their switch to Google+
danmur大约 4 年前
I&#x27;d be happy to pay for a browser with my interests at heart at this point. Maybe this is an improvement but it&#x27;s a problem that doesn&#x27;t need to exist.
eagleal大约 4 年前
The privacy and sensitive stuff seems like an excuse. As of now it looks like the implementor (Google Ads) might have a competitive advantage over other advertisers and platforms, since they have direct access to both the ID generator&#x2F;categorizer and a wider initial base.<p>Any different advertising platform will always be inferior by definition.
adamsvystun大约 4 年前
Does eff want a future with no targeted ads based on user info or do they have a proposal for targeting that they like?
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butz大约 4 年前
How about just adding a setting and letting user choose his own interests? If this month I&#x27;m looking for a new laptop, there&#x27;s a good chance that after purchase my &quot;interests&quot; might change.