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US Weather Service Internet Systems Are Crumbling

56 点作者 julienchastang大约 4 年前

14 条评论

superkuh大约 4 年前
I contacted the new NOAA weather radar site team numerous times over a couple years as they began testing the new site. They were completely unresponsive to all input from me or anyone else. It would be so simple to just maintain the animated gif CONUS weather radar map in addition to fancy cloud javascript applications, but no, they went ahead and &quot;replaced&quot; it with a javascript monstrosity that doesn&#x27;t even work for half the users, myself included.<p>I gave up even trying to get a response when their entire @noaa.gov email system went down due to the solar winds hack and them proxying all their mail through fireeye.gov. This caused all spf checks to fail for any mail coming from anywhere except within google&#x27;s email empire.<p>Being forced into the cloud is what killed NOAA. They could&#x27;ve upgraded from their 2005 setup to something a bit more modern but instead they migrated to the cloud and it ruined everything.
burnished大约 4 年前
Why no mention of third parties that kneecap important infrastructure to serve their own profit margin?
yellowapple大约 4 年前
In the vein of &quot;ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country&quot;: how can we help? If the government is (evidently) unable or unwilling to operate these services, it seems like it is our civil duty as Americans to take this upon ourselves and coordinate the creation and operation of a system &quot;by the people, of the people, for the people&quot;.
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kevin_thibedeau大约 4 年前
Accuweather: &quot;I love it when a plan comes together&quot;
EMM_386大约 4 年前
I just tried out the new weather radar, and it was a mess. Extremely slow to update new tiles when scrolling around or zooming. Trying to &quot;play&quot; the radar had a 15 second delay. The browser console is full of errors.<p>And then, after a couple minutes of moving around the map, I can no longer access the site.<p>Is this the &quot;data limiting&quot; the article mentions??<p>&gt; Access Denied<p>&gt; You don&#x27;t have permission to access &quot;<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;radar.weather.gov&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;radar.weather.gov&#x2F;</a>&quot; on this server.<p>&gt; Reference #18.95fa3b17.1617393226.1c0a631b
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CWuestefeld大约 4 年前
Why are they so attached to NWS Chat specifically? Perhaps there are reasons unexplained, but from this article it sounds very much like they&#x27;ve got Not Invented Here syndrome.<p>Sure, they need bespoke computation services for their modeling functions and so forth. But when it comes to the dissemination of information, it seems like that&#x27;s very much a commodity these days, and can be provided at such an enormous scale at such low prices that it should scarcely be a concern.<p>I suspect, with no evidence whatsoever, that the NWS is holding this hostage for better funding overall, because it&#x27;s the visible piece that causes pain to the public. There are other areas where they believe they really need better funding, but haven&#x27;t been able to convince the budgetmakers of that. In order to force their hand, they&#x27;re starving the public-facing stuff.
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8bitsrule大约 4 年前
A couple months back, I was surpised to see that the radar site&#x27;s old Windows98-refugee map was gone ... replaced by a slithering mess of SVC-looking intentions gone AI.<p>But when I checked it a week ago, it was much less shaky. Good to see the NWS trying new ideas.
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kcmastrpc大约 4 年前
I&#x27;ve used weather.gov for almost 10 years, and I&#x27;ve observed is become more unstable and unusable over the past decade. If it weren&#x27;t for local weather gurus who pay for the tools professional meteorologists utilize and broadcast through YT and other social media tools I wouldn&#x27;t know when to shelter or take cover from some of the intense weather that has moved through our area over the past few years.
malwarebytess大约 4 年前
I wonder if it has something to do with the active sabotage in leadership over the last 4 years.
rckoepke大约 4 年前
I really miss the old weatherspark. It was extremely performant and also had by far the best&#x2F;most useful UI visualizations of any weather app to date.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;radar.oreilly.com&#x2F;2011&#x2F;09&#x2F;weatherspark-weather-data-visualization.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;radar.oreilly.com&#x2F;2011&#x2F;09&#x2F;weatherspark-weather-data-v...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kk.org&#x2F;cooltools&#x2F;weatherspark&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kk.org&#x2F;cooltools&#x2F;weatherspark&#x2F;</a><p>As I understand it, they didn&#x27;t have the money to migrate from Flash to HTML5 and the current site is a shadow of it&#x27;s former self.
nattaylor大约 4 年前
After the radar launch I inquired about bringing back the GIF loops and they had something within 24 hours.<p>I use the NWS API&#x27;s in my personal weather app and they work fairly well.<p>It&#x27;s not all doom and gloom, but they could be better. The NDBC went down for about 7 days last month due to a &quot;catastrophic outage,&quot; and that was very unfortunate. But, the deliberately and with warning took the BOX radar offline for maintenance for the first time in decades. A mixed bag.
johnnyapol大约 4 年前
Mods - looks like SeattleTimes is syndicating this and lacks the aggressive paywall. Here&#x27;s an alternative link:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.seattletimes.com&#x2F;nation-world&#x2F;nation&#x2F;weather-service-internet-systems-crumbling-as-key-platforms-are-taxed-and-fail&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.seattletimes.com&#x2F;nation-world&#x2F;nation&#x2F;weather-ser...</a>
edoceo大约 4 年前
Well, Mattermost could&#x2F;would solve that chat problem nearly instantly and cost nearly nothing.
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readflaggedcomm大约 4 年前
Not much detail on decision making. But bandwidth and overtaxed servers are blamed throughout this and the other two articles linked near the top, and their bespoke chat and radar programs seem to make it worse. When will they distribute observation data through some swarmable system like IPFS? Yet even the rogue Alabama office recommended siloed Slack rather than something open.
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