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Writing advice should stop targeting people who hate to write

90 点作者 enkiv2大约 4 年前

14 条评论

paperwasp42大约 4 年前
I&#x27;m part of a writing group that consists of 10 published authors. Of the 10, 8 absolutely despise writing first drafts.<p>Those 8 constantly groan about having to sit their butts in the chair and get the words down. There&#x27;s a common mentality of, &quot;I hate writing, but I love having written.&quot;<p>But those 8 members have landed several major deals, had movie rights sold, hundreds and thousands of copies sold, etc. And perhaps more importantly, they&#x27;ve gotten letters saying that their work changed people&#x27;s lives for the better.<p>So although I personally fall into the &quot;I love writing in all its stages&quot; category, I have no problem with other writers talking about how much they hate it. Those people create some of the best work I&#x27;ve ever had the pleasure of reading. If it takes some moaning and groaning to make it happen, then so be it.<p>That being said--I will reserve my right to tease them about their moaning and annoy them with my undying enthusiasm. :)
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atoav大约 4 年前
As someone teaching at art school and who worked and works as a freelancer in all kind of creative professions (VFX, graphic design, programming, sounddesign) I think the best advice you can give to anyone in any creative profession is:<p>Learn to switch hats. When you have your writing hat on, put your critic hat, your editor hat, your publisher hat, etc. down. Make space for the other hats in times when you don&#x27;t feel like writing. Same is useful for music, film, painting, design, art.<p>The thing is: it is really easier said than done. Most people constantly worry about other domains when they work on their things. Sure, let some ideas of how you want your work to be published flow into your writing, but don&#x27;t <i>worry</i> about it. You can still worry later when you read the text again with a different hat. Or you could have worried about that before you started writing. Worry about writing, about which phrase to use to convey what, worry about where you want your text to develope and how fast.<p>The mastery of this type of very conscious context switching is hard, because nobody is going to tell you which hat you need to wear when and for how long. Nobody will tell you which hat is more important, and which you better leave to others. It is a very individual thing, but one thinking about really pays off in the long term.
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tayo42大约 4 年前
I think this is just because most self help&#x2F;self learn topics focus on beginners or people who like the idea of starting. It&#x27;s easy for the writer to get a win. You don&#x27;t need to be an expert to write something targeted at beginners. Like in programming, that&#x27;s why we have endless &quot;how to write your first todo app in ...&quot; and not &quot;how to maintain and organize a 10k loc application with 5 co workers all trying to fuck it up&quot;<p>If you like to write, you&#x27;re already writing, you&#x27;re not a beginner anymore I would think. I think the same thing could be written as we need more intermediate and advanced advice.
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exolymph大约 4 年前
Hey you! Nice to see your work on the front of HN. That said, I disagree with the thrust of your thesis :) I&#x27;m a professional writer, it&#x27;s pretty much my only monetizable skill as well as my passion, and writing first drafts is like pulling teeth. It&#x27;s arduous and I rarely enjoy it in the moment. Very satisfying when I&#x27;m done and get to show off the result, though! I am exactly that cliché about &quot;hate writing, love having written.&quot; This is not exactly an uncommon sentiment among writers, either.
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DoreenMichele大约 4 年前
Maya Angelou, one of the great writers of her age, was violently assaulted as a child by her mother&#x27;s boyfriend. She told her brother who had done this to her and he turned up dead not long thereafter.<p>I think she didn&#x27;t speak for five years after that. She experienced it as &quot;I spoke his name and it killed him.&quot;<p>She learned the power of her words at an early age and it made a really huge impression on her. That no doubt was not irrelevant to her amazing career as a writer.<p>One reason writers agonize is because words can have power and because writing can be like doing therapy on stage while everyone watches. Good writing often contains some piece of the author&#x27;s soul and that&#x27;s always a risk to take.<p>It&#x27;s not neurotic that some people find writing emotionally hard and all that. If you happen to have found your way to writing via a path that didn&#x27;t leave you fearful of the power of your words, well, nice for you.<p>But &quot;get off my lawn&quot; as they say. (I generally enjoy writing. Get off my lawn anyway.)
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marcinzm大约 4 年前
I feel it&#x27;s because a beginner is a mostly blank slate so you can give generic advice without need to understand their personal context. Someone who is proficient will have strong context (areas they&#x27;re strong in, weak in, like, dislike, etc.) so advice should be tailored to them. Writers may also not actually be cognizant of their own context so can&#x27;t self select specific tailored advice books. Which is why there&#x27;s historically been writing workshops, editors, proofreaders, etc.<p>Curious how off the mark I am in my thoughts.
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tunesmith大约 4 年前
Any general advice on how to find a writing group, for intermediate writers that are past the beginners stage? I&#x27;m thinking of people that are perhaps beyond the nanowrimo and fanfic stages, that are comfortable with dialogue and characterization, that can string together some fun scenes and short stories, but aren&#x27;t published writers.<p>I personally have been having fun over the past year writing a branching novel with some friends. I know I&#x27;ve personally written more than 50k words with all sorts of characters and twists and turns and satisfying conclusions, but I feel like I&#x27;m plateauing. I&#x27;ve thought about joining one of my local meetup.com writing groups but I get the sense they&#x27;ll take anyone and I&#x27;d rather be the weakest writer in the room. Well, maybe second-weakest.
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tpoacher大约 4 年前
I thought it was very &quot;bold&quot; of the author to casually compare writer&#x27;s block to rape and domestic abuse, in the year of 2021.<p>People have gotten cancelled for a LOT less recently. (such as, saying they prefer &quot;pers&quot; to &quot;they&quot;, for example).
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8f2ab37a-ed6c大约 4 年前
Isn&#x27;t it pretty common for successful published writers to actually hate the process of writing? They enjoy the outcomes, but the actual process of writing feels tortured to many.
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Spooky23大约 4 年前
If you write, and like to write, why would you seek advice about how to write?
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solidist大约 4 年前
Some years into habitual writing, this is all I&#x27;ve got:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;solidi&#x2F;recognizing-remote-romantic-bibliophilia-255f" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;solidi&#x2F;recognizing-remote-romantic-bibliophil...</a><p>It guess what I learned is that each piece is about a &quot;concept.&quot; Say it clearly. And enjoy it years later by reading it again. And finally publish something, no matter how small once monthly.
cloudsec9大约 4 年前
I think writing (not short blogs, but longer writing) is a process, and you have to enjoy the process, or at least enjoy the end product to struggle through the process. I think writers can hate a part of the process while enjoying the creating and end part -- and I think we should encourage people to navigate the hard part.
datavirtue大约 4 年前
This guy likes writing too much. &quot;bryonic??&quot;
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brianjunyinchan大约 4 年前
What happens to a craft that stops encouraging beginners?
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