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Facebook deliberately made people sad. This ought to be the final straw (2012)

161 点作者 seesawtron大约 4 年前

23 条评论

antiterra大约 4 年前
Product Person #1: Hey, here’s a writeup that says if we show too many positive posts to people that it creates bad feelings. Should we show less positive posts?<p>Product Person #2: Not sure, wouldn’t negative posts make people feel worse?<p>Product Person #1: Wow, I donno, maybe we should try adjusting additional posts people see one way a bit and see what happens?<p>Product Person #2: Not a bad idea, how about we try both? You know, an A&#x2F;B test.<p>Product Person #1: Hmmm. Ok, but— when we’re done, let’s have some scientific review of our data just so that we can correct the record and push along the science around this stuff.<p>Journalist: This company deliberately made people sad
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hackinthebochs大约 4 年前
I still don&#x27;t see why I should be outraged over this. A user of facebook already consents to facebook displaying whatever content on their feed facebook chooses. Why should facebook require extra consent to gather scientific evidence on the effects of the content being displayed, given they are only analyzing data they already gather?
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fogof大约 4 年前
How sad did this experiment really make people? The chart in the study says that people who saw fewer positive posts used one percent fewer positive words and about 0.3% more negative words. But on the other hand, they were seeing fewer positive posts, so maybe they were just replying to the posts they saw in a way that was natural, without their inner emotional state being very affected.
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mgraczyk大约 4 年前
As a former FB employee who worked on ranking, I just want to point out how absolutely tiny the effect size is here when we think about normal human emotional experience. On a per person basis, this experiment had an effect that is comparable to other potential changes like slightly altering the padding on the &quot;like&quot; button, or showing 1 extra news post per day, or sending an extra notification once per month.<p>Facebook didn&#x27;t make people sad. It made a population post things with slightly more negative words, only significant when measured across hundreds of thousands of users.
yeuxardents大约 4 年前
This was the last straw for me, thats when I permabanned facebook from my life.<p>This was an unauthorized, unguided, unethical, mass psychological experiment on human beings. Anyone involved should have gone to jail for crimes against humanity.
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ACow_Adonis大约 4 年前
I admit confusion. isn&#x27;t unsolicited experimental psychological manipulation without consent just another word for most modern marketing?<p>I mean don&#x27;t get me wrong, I dont like it and try to exclude it from my life and my families life, but there&#x27;s pretty wide acceptance socially for this type of behaviour.<p>I would of thought the beauty industry would be an old perpetrator that should generally be investigated. going to shut down that?<p>and negatively instilling fear and distrust in a population without their consent for personal gain is about as old as politics itself?<p>isn&#x27;t this practically mainstream media behaviour?<p>fomo? status anxiety? conspicuous consumption? I don&#x27;t see why Facebook should be singled out for society-wide mandated and culturally supported practices.
niyikiza大约 4 年前
Perhaps some A&#x2F;B testing at The Guardian showed that headlines condemning tech giants are more clickable.
wruza大约 4 年前
Honestly that sounds like “this stuff dealer is bad because they make people sad while they wait for a dose; I quit, clean for 2d 6h 19min”. No doubt facebook is evil, corporate monster, etc, but hey what about stopping being a junkie. The problem is not someone experimenting with your unhealthy addiction, it <i>is</i> your unhealthy addiction.<p>At the early stages of the internet, most of the content was hidden, waiting for you to actively discover and bookmark it. Like you do with good places in your town - you find one, add it to your address book and visit occasionally. It was a slow process, full of findings, enjoyment and variety. Now everyone seems to sit at their mailbox, desperately waiting for another pack of junk mail to arrive. Facebook is just that - a postman who chooses from a variety of crap to push into your inbox. It doesn’t change lives unless people are too lazy to live by themselves.
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jancsika大约 4 年前
Is it against the rules for me to use HN as a dating site? I&#x27;m going to pen-test it:<p>I enjoy cuddling, long walks on the beach, and services that do not run social experiments on me like something out of a cheap movie plot about a mad-scientist.<p>to contact this user please dial &quot;jancsika&quot; on your rotary phone now
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xg15大约 4 年前
&gt; <i>But the issue of consent also doesn&#x27;t quite explain why we&#x27;re comfortable with some types of uninformed research on us, but not others. Like almost every major tech firm, Facebook practices A&#x2F;B testing</i><p>Are &quot;we&quot; actually comfortable with that practice? (And who is &quot;we&quot; in the first place? The general public? Tech people? Journalists?)<p>It seems to me, this is simply something the industry does because it can get away with it - and most users don&#x27;t object because they don&#x27;t even know it&#x27;s happening.<p>Why <i>tech journalists</i> see the Facebook thing as objectionable but A&#x2F;B tests without consent as perfectly fine might be a question worth discussing.
sidcool大约 4 年前
Facebook has indeed done much harm to individuals and the society as a whole. But at the same time, their tenacity to continue making money is impressive. Villiams too have some quaint evil power.
jimbob45大约 4 年前
I don’t know anyone that uses Facebook anymore that likes it. Everyone I know who uses it says, “I’m thinking I should delete it soon”. Universally, the number one criticism is, “All I ever wanted to see are my friends’ posts and every update shows me less and less of those”.<p>Does anyone actually know people who avidly use and love Facebook? It seems like Facebook is like the Christian church where the church and everyone <i>says</i> they go every Sunday but it’s really more like once a year at this point.
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dhosek大约 4 年前
9 years later and still a whole lot of straw left.
luckylion大约 4 年前
&quot;News media deliberately make people outraged. This ought to be the final straw&quot;.<p>I don&#x27;t have issues with the study in general. You <i>do</i> want to know whether and how you can influence people in a positive or negative way, especially if you want to avoid it. There&#x27;s really no other way to find out than to study it. They should&#x27;ve gotten clear consent for participation in that study, but that&#x27;s about it from my point of view.
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vmception大约 4 年前
Do we know what specific week that was? Would like to see it affected trading patterns or the VIX.
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imwillofficial大约 4 年前
What if somebody had killed themselves? This type of unconsensual experimentation is criminal.
alfl大约 4 年前
When they announced that they had this capability a couple of years ago I deleted my account.
cryptoz大约 4 年前
Article published 2014 not 2012 I think, btw. Event happened in 2012.
chris_wot大约 4 年前
That was when I started to realise just how bad they were.
jb775大约 4 年前
I noticed during the election that whenever I glanced at the fb &quot;watch&quot; video section, it was videos of guys getting into fist fights, or videos containing disturbing violence. I don&#x27;t ever watch or search for videos like this, so it&#x27;s not like it was selected based on my watch history or something.<p>At the time, I figured it was a psychological trick to suck me into viewing more ads since violence has that &quot;can&#x27;t look away&quot; nature to it...but now that I think about it, they could have been intentionally stirring up angry emotions within the general population during the election cycle. Anyone else notice this?
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bserge大约 4 年前
Yes, indeed, we should all learn <i>not</i> to use our emotions in online discussions. People will say and do things that they would never say in real life, even under their real name, because of the disconnection from the actual person hearing&#x2F;reading&#x2F;seeing that.<p>Funnily enough, this is how I quit Imgur for good. It&#x27;s amazing. I posted something that I believed was right and got downvoted to hell.<p>So I started asking people &quot;why, why do you downvote?&quot; and got mostly laughs, memes and people calling me stupid. Except one person, who said &quot;you care way too much about this&quot;. Indeed, I did. Thank you random person!<p>Not sure why but it affected me more on Imgur. Maybe it&#x27;s the length of the comments? The memes that encompass a thousand words, as they say? Regardless, I just deleted my account and never went back. It&#x27;s great.<p>Still trying to quit Reddit and HN, but they&#x27;re good resources if you ignore all the stupidity. Imgur is bottom of the barrel social media, but it was fun.<p>And of course, this is used by various media outlets, has been for a long time.<p>It&#x27;s all about eliciting emotions, which come from the primitive part of the brain, bypassing any advanced conscious analysis and engaging the impulse to do either what you&#x27;re told (good for sales) or the opposite of it (good for spreading a message) or something in between, but it&#x27;s a response that you <i>will</i> remember and most likely take action.<p>I forgot what I was trying to say. Somehow Facebook never got me, it&#x27;s just a useless platform aside from contacting people.
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stadium大约 4 年前
The ultimate propaganda machine.
chatmasta大约 4 年前
Pre-2013 was a wild time on the internet. It seems like that’s when a lot of its nasty underbelly went mainstream.<p>The Snowden leaks were a turning point, I think, when people realized “the NSA and corporations are spying on you” wasn’t just a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.<p>It’s mind blowing to think that most major sites on the internet (including Amazon) were not using HTTPS at that time. It’s possible Amazon used it on its payment pages, but it certainly didn’t for much of the site. Tools like FireSheep existed for years before anyone started to care that everyone from your coffeeshop to your ISP could read your plaintext traffic.<p>Now 9 years later we’re finally about to fix DNS (albeit with protocols hostile to reverse engineering). Then hopefully up next is fixing BGP before the bad guys realize how absurdly vulnerable it is.<p>All this is to say, Facebook could maybe be excused for this experiment, because our standards for “that’s messed up” were already so much lower in 2012 than they are now.
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