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Explaining 4K 60Hz Video Through USB-C Hub (2019)

158 点作者 WayToDoor大约 4 年前

20 条评论

paco3346大约 4 年前
I struggled for a long time to find a &quot;full featured&quot; dock that could support my setup with a single cable. I wanted 3x 2560x1440@60 monitors, wired ethernet, USB 3.x, and power without having 5+ cables to move around.<p>Last year Dell finally released the WD19TB and it&#x27;s awesome. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.delltechnologies.com&#x2F;resources&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;asset&#x2F;data-sheets&#x2F;products&#x2F;electronics-accessories&#x2F;dell_thunderbolt_dock_wd19tb_spec_sheet.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.delltechnologies.com&#x2F;resources&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;asset&#x2F;data-...</a><p>I happen to run an XPS with Arch &amp; KDE Plasma and everything worked perfectly out of the box. Highly recommended for anyone who has a TB3 laptop and is looking for a good dock.
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steveBK123大约 4 年前
TB3&#x2F;USBC is insane and a mess. Whoever decided to use the same connector is insane.<p>I have varying cables with the same connector which do:<p>- Power but not data<p>- USB Data but no&#x2F;low power<p>- USB Data but only at USB2 speed (why?)<p>- USB Data but only USB3<p>- TB3<p>- LOL don&#x27;t forget USB-PD<p>At least in the late 90s ecosystem of a dozen different connectors you could visually identify them. Now I have various special unicorn cables around the house which look the same, but only work for use case X or Y or Z.<p>Examples are things like - I have one cable that can charge my camera over USB-C, and one cable that can transmit data between my camera &amp; MacBook.. but neither does both. I suppose I could acquire a third cable to accomplish that.
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_nickwhite大约 4 年前
I&#x27;m over IT for about 40 remote workers. One of the comments in this article rings so true about the pain of using USB-C to DisplayPort:<p>&quot;I hate my USB-C monitor ports that work is making me use. Sometimes when I plug the USB-Dock in, it works fine. Other times I get one of the two 1920×1080 monitors attached to turn on. Others, no monitors turn on, and I have to unplug it and plug it back in. Then it usually works.&quot;<p>It&#x27;s SUPER finicky and picky, pretty much across the board. I find this true for the PC&#x2F;Windows- macbook pros seems to work MUCH better, even with triple-2k monitors, but still not perfectly every time.
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danieldk大约 4 年前
Be sure to read the update at the end, since the article is partly outdated with DisplayPort 1.4. With DP 1.4, only two lanes are necessary thanks to HBR3 (and DSC). So, you can have 4k@60Hz while also having USB 3.1 Gen3 at 10Gbit&#x2F;s.<p>E.g. I use a Lenovo USB-C Dock Gen 2, which supports this. You can have it all with just a single cable.<p>Unfortunately, Linux misconfigures the lanes (does not use HBR3) for this hub and apparently some other hubs [1], so 4K@60Hz is not supported using a single cable. Windows 10 works fine and my wife&#x27;s MacBook as well.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gitlab.freedesktop.org&#x2F;drm&#x2F;amd&#x2F;-&#x2F;issues&#x2F;1317" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gitlab.freedesktop.org&#x2F;drm&#x2F;amd&#x2F;-&#x2F;issues&#x2F;1317</a>
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z9qjk大约 4 年前
I think the whole concept of usb c&#x2F;tb3 is flawed, cables should be inside the computer not outside. I have a fairly simple setup: 2017 Macbook Pro with two TB3 ports, a Dell monitor, an external SSD, a TB2 soundcard and a wireless usb mouse, because a traditional mouse works better in VMs than a Magic Mouse. This setup worked perfectly with a 2015 13&quot; MBP: the HDMI port supports the Dell monitor, I connected my soundcard to the dedicated TB2 port and I still had two USB3 ports for my mouse and the external ssd. Now comes the revolutionized &amp; courageous setup with two TB3 ports: First of all I had to buy a USB3 dock. That&#x27;s ok but still 50 euros down the toilet. Then an Apple issued TB2-TB3 adapter which was another 100 euros. But then I figured I can&#x27;t connect these devices at once so I&#x27;ve had to buy an Apple Issued Digital AV Adapter for another 100 euros. We are already at 250 euros and the fun part just starts: If I connect my Dell monitor and my soundcard (even turned off) at the same time the monitor starts to flicker and the soundcard starts spitting out dirty electrostatic noise. Yes, a good old ground loop! So now I can&#x27;t listen to music with my soundcard and have my monitor plugged in at the same time. I can&#x27;t use my wireless mouse because the wireless dongle is too far from my USB3 dock. I can&#x27;t use my external ssd reliably because every time I put my Macbook to sleep it disconnects in a way that i have to phisically reconnect it. Every fkn time. So I thought, gee I just have to shell out another 300 euros for a Caldigit TS3+ and all my problems will be solved, right? USB-C ecosystem: hold my beer The statical noise comes through the TS3+ as well plus it heats up my Macbook to a completely pathetic degree, so it throttles. Because it has to be thin too. TDP is just stat for nerds. SSD is still unreliable and the dock is still too far from my mouse to have a stable connection. In the end I spent 550 euros on completely useless environmental waste bullsh*t that shouldn&#x27;t exist at all. I get what Apple and the whole industry had in mind with usb-c but it is flawed by design. It has to be reengineered from the ground up.
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GekkePrutser大约 4 年前
Aha. Now I understand why my Lenovo USB-C dock doesn&#x27;t do 4K@60 on my Mac. It&#x27;s not thunderbolt capable.<p>By the way, it does have an extra limitation on Mac. It only supports one external display. Apparently this is due to the Mac lacking support for Multi Stream Technology over DisplayPort (because it has Thunderbolt instead).<p>Unfortunately Thunderbolt hubs are very expensive as the article also mentions. So I added a DisplayLink adapter for my third display (one 4K@60 directly connected to a USB-C port, the hub on the other with one HDMI out and the display link and lots of other USB stuff :) )<p>By the way DisplayLink support is pretty good now on Mac. Even for the new chipsets. I wouldn&#x27;t call it nonexistent as the article does. It does have some limitations though, like Night Light not switching on.
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bombcar大约 4 年前
What&#x27;s annoying is that the &quot;Thunderbolt&quot; connectors ALSO depend on the chipset internally (and how it is routed) - for example on my MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2017) - I can drive four external monitors but ONLY if I connect two on each side of the laptop. I have two daisy chained via Thunderbolt but I cannot use that second Thunderbolt port on that side for a third monitor - it must be on the other side.
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ClumsyPilot大约 4 年前
I am trying to get usbc connection to work on 4k monitor, and i tried 5 different usbc cabkes, only one worked.<p>Every week it falls back to 30 fps and needs to be replugged, caressed, and incantations
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philluminati大约 4 年前
I bought a usb-c dock earlier this week. &quot;Selore 8 in 1&quot; (£44) with a separate usb-c power charger and an extension cable (2 meter male to female usb-c cable) it seems to work great. Out of the box on Debian Stable. I installed autorandr and saved my laptop&#x27;s solo profile and the preferred arrangement when I use the dock with my monitor and it&#x27;s fantastic.<p>I slap a single cable into my laptop when I plonk it on my desk and I get my monitor, keyboard, mouse autoconnect and my laptop starts charging too. This is the future I wanted for my home office arrangement. One cable does everything. I wish it were my office too<p>The device does have some interesting small print like the article says, so it was an interesting read. 1 monitor = 4k @ 60hz, 2 monitors = 4k @ 30hz (It has 2xHDMI outputs) but you can have two monitors at 4k and 60hz IF they mirror each other too. Regardless, I&#x27;m happy with 1080p (always at 60hz) so it doesn&#x27;t seem to affect me.<p>I would recommend them even if the article does suggest they aren&#x27;t quite as mature as they should be yet.
rsync大约 4 年前
What, specifically, does this imply for the number of external displays one can attach to a raspberry pi 4 ?<p>Naively, you might think that with 2x USB-C ports, you could attach two of these:<p>Cable Matters 201055 – 2x DisplayPort, power, ethernet, 2x USB2<p>... and also attach something to each of the onboard HDMI port and have a total of <i>six</i> monitors.<p>However, I don&#x27;t think that&#x27;s the case because of something-something-video lanes&#x2F;memory&#x2F;bios something-something ...<p>Does anyone have a finer grained understanding ?<p>EDIT: I am reminded that this post[1] discusses an alternate route using the CM4 and the pcie port on the breakout board ... and failing to succeed in using a pci graphics card. USB3 monitors seem a more promising avenue but, again, I think there is some memory&#x2F;BAR limitation ...<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jeffgeerling.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;external-gpus-and-raspberry-pi-compute-module-4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jeffgeerling.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;external-gpus-and-ras...</a>
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jbverschoor大约 4 年前
In other words, it&#x27;s a big mess.
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cwt137大约 4 年前
It would be interesting if the author mentioned not just about 4k60, but also how do you get something like 10bpp color. I have a MBP and can watch YouTube videos in HDR on the laptop screen, but not through the hub I have.
anyfoo大约 4 年前
Relatedly, does anyone have any solution for switching a 5k LG monitor between two Macs? There seems to be only a single KVM switch that does that, and it&#x27;s around $500. It also does not switch one Thunderbolt, but two Display Ports, so it seems that you would additionally need a bunch of adapters which split the USB-C Thunderbolt cable into two Display Port connections, and back together at the other end.<p>Note that there seem to be more solutions for 4k, but it&#x27;s my understanding that those don&#x27;t work for 5k.
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Dylan16807大约 4 年前
&gt; DisplayPort 1.4 can deliver 4K 60Hz video using only two lanes, with a new high-bit-rate mode called HBR3 with a compression mode called DSC. This makes it possible to get 4K60 video and USB 3.1 ports in the same hub, but only if the computer, hub, and monitor all support DisplayPort 1.4 and HBR3.<p>You don&#x27;t need DSC to display 4K60 over two lanes, only to go above that or add HDR too.<p>Also displayport 1.4 support doesn&#x27;t guarantee DSC for some reason.
Camillo大约 4 年前
If you&#x27;re buying a hub now, you don&#x27;t want any of these things, you want Thunderbolt 4. I&#x27;d really like to see an equivalent article for it.
adamparsons大约 4 年前
It blew my mind the other day when work gave us one of Apple&#x27;s hdmi&#x2F;usb&#x2F;charge multiport adapters, that it could power 4k60 and a USB3 port without using thunderbolt under the hood. It was my understanding its either 4k60 with no usb, or 4k30 with usb. I&#x27;m assuming its using this newfangled HBR3 under the hood, or perhaps it actually is using thunderbolt secretly.
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posobin大约 4 年前
Previous discussion of this post (2019, 171 comments): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21532795" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21532795</a><p>It has also been mentioned in 10 other HN comment threads.<p>Found via <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ampie.app&#x2F;url-context" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ampie.app&#x2F;url-context</a>.
protoman3000大约 4 年前
Yeah, USB C is a mess and Thunderbolt 3 is obviously the superior 1-cable technology.<p>Unfortunately, though, Thunderbolt 3 is a piece of sh*t, too [1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugs.launchpad.net&#x2F;ubuntu&#x2F;+source&#x2F;linux&#x2F;+bug&#x2F;1766076" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugs.launchpad.net&#x2F;ubuntu&#x2F;+source&#x2F;linux&#x2F;+bug&#x2F;1766076</a>
rozularen大约 4 年前
With the following constraints how would one manage to have the less amount of cable dangling around?<p>1 PC (personal use, desktop or laptop)<p>1 work laptop<p>2 Monitors<p>Keyboard &amp; Mouse<p>Be able to connect the work laptop with only 1 cable and switch keyboard mouse and monitors to it<p>Maybe should I look for a KVM switch instead?
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minikites大约 4 年前
Remember when we had different connectors for different purposes and it was easy to tell what a given connector or cable did? I do, and I think USB-C is a massive backwards step in usability.
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