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EV Charging Infrastructure in America Still Sucks

78 点作者 reteltech大约 4 年前

17 条评论

hn_throwaway_99大约 4 年前
It&#x27;s for reasons like this that I&#x27;m always sad and dismayed the Chevy Volt wasn&#x27;t more popular. Yes, all electric is the future, but <i>right now</i>, and for about the past 5-6 years, the Volt is&#x2F;was the perfect car for a lot of people:<p>1. For me, my commute is about 12 miles one way, so my Volt has enough electric capacity for my commute plus 1 errand on a single charge. 95% of my days are 100% electric.<p>2. I never have &quot;range anxiety&quot; - if I do go slightly over my limit the gas engine kicks in. I use a tank of gas about every 4-6 months.<p>3. Since my car&#x27;s electric range is only ~38 miles, I can fully charge in about 8-9 hours overnight on a plain 110v outlet - no custom installation required for a home charger.<p>I bought a low-mileage used Volt - it was a great deal and the best car I&#x27;ve ever owned.
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atweiden大约 4 年前
People in these EV conversations tend to underappreciate the magic of simply being able to pull into a gas station in “AnywhereTown” with an ICE vehicle, top up the tank in less than 15 minutes, and then drive another 500 miles or whatever.<p>EVs don’t do that. In an EV, you drive for a few hundred miles at best, then you spend 30-60 minutes at a supercharger if you’re lucky; or at least several hours at a “normal speed” charger if you’re not. At which point, you can proceed cautiously forward after much delay, always checking your EV’s estimated range remaining — and mapping out when and where the next charger session will have to be.<p>Because of the above dynamic, EV range figures can be a bit misleading. “Effective daily maximum range” is a better metric, i.e. how far one tank of fuel gets you multiplied by how many tanks of fuel you can go through in a day of driving. EVs need to have a far larger range than their ICE counterparts for true equivalence here, to offset the drastically higher downtime of seeking out chargers and using them extensively.<p>In addition, independent charger networks are really hit or miss: those handy EV charging station locator apps often times display out-of-date information; the chargers are difficult to find; and the particular charger you end up with exhibits mechanical and&#x2F;or payment issues not infrequently. Tesla’s supercharger stations are also a magnet for criminals — got the feeling I was being cased once at the Austin supercharger. (“The future is already here—It&#x27;s just not very evenly distributed”)<p>For people who have access to a regular, dedicated charging outlet at home, or at work, an EV could make perfectly good sense. Still love EVs, and I agree they’re the future — but they’re the future moreso than the present for many, oweing mainly to these infrastructural issues.
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thatfrenchguy大约 4 年前
If you stick to ElectrifyAmerica (not like the author), you’ll have a much nicer experience. They’re really the only 150&#x2F;350kw decently priced network, all the competition is mostly slow 44&#x2F;58kw chargers.<p>They still have a bit of software ironing to do though, still feels like a beta sometimes, I’ve had to move from stall to stall 3-4 times out of 40 charges.<p>Also, yes, obviously, if you’re in Manhattan, you’ll find less chargers. But why are you using a car there?
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1cvmask大约 4 年前
The same pangs endured when we went from horses to gas powered cars. Gas stations and their network expanded over decades. The only thing that can push this faster is the public sector. Regulatory mandates and incentives. The classic carrot and stick approach.
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908B64B197大约 4 年前
The takeaway is that Tesla worked tirelessly into making charging (one of the major pain points of EV) as efficient and convenient as possible. And legacy manufacturers are now trying to catch up nearly a decade later.
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clouddrover大约 4 年前
&gt; <i>Plus, the ChargePoint charger stubbornly refused to provide its full 150 kW payload despite 0 other vehicles charging at any linked station</i><p>That&#x27;s because it&#x27;s a 50 kW charger. It&#x27;s displayed right on the screen as the image in the article shows:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hips.hearstapps.com&#x2F;hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com&#x2F;images&#x2F;mac06479-1619186933.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hips.hearstapps.com&#x2F;hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com&#x2F;images...</a>
bnycum大约 4 年前
I live in a city that’s within the top 150 by population, we have one Tesla supercharger. It’s at a nearly dead mall, only food there is a cafeteria style restaurant that isn’t great and no theater or anything. That mall borders a somewhat sketchy part of town. That’s my experience knowing EV charging unfortunately.<p>Also the lack of charging means I could not drive an EV to visit family members, only destination charging available at hotels where I wouldn’t be staying.<p>Obviously the supercharging network is constantly growing and it’s all still new, but in my neck of the woods its still pretty tough to have.
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majestik大约 4 年前
Title needs to append “... unless you have a Tesla”
cptskippy大约 4 年前
My takeaway from this article was that the typical car review pattern of &quot;show up at a random location, borrow car for the day, run random errands to empty the tank, refuel and return car&quot; doesn&#x27;t work well for EVs.<p>How would the author&#x27;s experience have been different if the car was in their driveway fully charged in the morning?<p>Do most people go to bed at night with no idea what they&#x27;ll be doing the following day or no consideration for how much fuel is in their vehicle?
Mvandenbergh大约 4 年前
One of the key things to understand about the relationship between charging infrastructure, range, and customer acceptability is that there are a number of non-linear relationships that lead to the experience tipping between &quot;really bad&quot; and &quot;really good&quot; very suddenly.<p>First, it doesn&#x27;t matter that most journeys are short and that the overwhelming majority of drivers will make between zero and two really long range trips a year (yes, even in the US). People size their long term capital purchases based on their perception of the limiting case, not the average. Consumer willingness to rent a longer range vehicle for special occasions will also depend on how convenient that experience is. Many Americans drive long-distance in the Thanksgiving to Christmas window which would require enough long range capacity to be reliably available for all those people every year. Again, we have to size for the extremes of the system. Also, car rental may be logistically challenging (and is certainly <i>currently</i> inconvenient) in most of the rural areas where people are most likely to need long distance driving regularly.<p>Second, the amount of time that a driver will need to find an available charger is very much non-linear in the number and density of chargers. We know quite a lot about this dynamic from studies of parking. Once your parking capacity in a given area is filled by more than about 80%, the time taken to find a spot very rapidly increases from nearly zero to many minutes. I&#x27;m sure there are theoretical computer science problems which are analogous. (actually would love to hear if anyone knows of any since most of the infrastructure world has historically just looked at this empirically). The same dynamic happens with chargers. Like with parking, better information provision shifts that transition point. With perfect information.<p>Third, the stress induced by charger unavailability is also not linear in likely time required to find a charger.<p>This is particularly an issue for people who do not have off-street parking but do have cars. Admittedly this is much rare in the US but it is about a third of drivers in the UK and I imagine not uncommon in other European countries. That&#x27;s because people need this as their default charger essentially every day so any inconvenience is substantially multiplied. Our thinking on public on-street charging for these cases is that you&#x27;re much better off spending money on a lot of slow trickle chargers and absolutely saturating a neighbourhood with them rather than buying fewer 22kW fast chargers. Two reasons for that.<p>First, 22kW is a sort of &quot;Inconvenient Valley&quot; for public charging in domestic areas. It&#x27;s not so fast that you can stay near your car but big enough that you never have enough of them to make it ok to just leave your car plugged in. That means that effective use requires coming home, plugging in and then realising as you get ready for bed that you should move your car so one of your neighbours can also come outside and use the charger. Faster 43-50kW chargers are much better in this context because they can be &quot;cycled&quot; a few times in the evening before everyone goes to bed. Otherwise you might as well just save the money and get many more slow chargers fed off lamp-posts to do overnight charging.<p>Second, You can reduce charger anxiety much more effectively by having an excess of slow chargers (even if that means that a fully empty battery is not fully charged by morning) than by having a lower probability of finding a higher power charger. That&#x27;s because the slow charger effectively guarantees that you won&#x27;t run out. Again, this is non-linear. An EV works just the same all the way down to zero charge but driver anxiety will start ramping at 15% or so.<p>What all of this means is that if charger build-out strategies go right, we will find that the transition from inconvenient to &quot;why did we ever worry about this?&quot; will happen faster than you might think.
namelosw大约 4 年前
Maybe there could be creative solutions to the problem.<p>In China for example, domestic EV startups are trying to come up with standards on swappable batteries. If the ideas work, it could be a separation of car companies, and battery subscription companies. The former sells cars without battery and the latter rents batteries from gas stations.
thrower123大约 4 年前
Of course it does. An absurd number of houses still only have 100 amp services.<p>Not many people have a 50 amp, 220V circuit lying around to dedicate to charging. If they do there&#x27;s already a welder plugged into it.
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xtiansimon大约 4 年前
Funny side note here—Was biking to the Target in Hicksville, NY and noticed a recharge station in the parking lot with the recharging cable lying on the ground.<p>How could you even trust such a station?
thedeepdive大约 4 年前
It&#x27;s going to change soon. Plus if EVs get up to 500km in range, that makes it almost as much as an ICE vehicle and that means you can easily get around long enough to find a charger.
xyzzy21大约 4 年前
The nearest charge station to me is &gt;100 miles away. Seriously any EV is NOT remotely in my future.
mensetmanusman大约 4 年前
What is wrong with using the adapter to tag on to the Tesla supercharger network?
walrus01大约 4 年前
&gt; since the battery charges slower as it approaches full charge<p>This is for safety and the health of the battery. It is not widely advertised and many people don&#x27;t know that the fastest levels of charging (tesla supercharge and similar) actually damage the battery a very slight amount, and will reduce overall battery life span, cycle depth ability and health if used very often. It&#x27;s healthier for your battery to charge at a medium speed overnight.
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