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Corporate users we don't care about you - Says Mozilla

22 点作者 girishmony将近 14 年前

12 条评论

bane将近 14 年前
Corporate users need to seriously rethink their glacial technology adoption cycle. In the BigCos I've worked at in the past, we're usually told it's due to security, yet we're almost always stuck on versions with glaring security holes that were solved years ago.<p>The problem indicated in the blog post (and the comments) is that the software ecosystem, add-ons, various vendor web sites, etc., take too long to bring up to speed. I can also attest to this, I worked at one organization that was stuck on IE 6 because the bloated and ridiculous expense reporting system wouldn't work on anything newer. They finally had to upgrade to some newer version because a major customer site simply refused to work with IE6 and we couldn't turn in our work. The weeping and whining from the corp IT department over having to upgrade the enterprise lasted for a year at least. It was actually a major contributor to me leaving the company I found it so absurd and annoying.<p>Strange that the vast vast majority of web sites on the open web don't seem to have a problem with this. Could it be because they write to standards? I always wondered what bizarre things were going on in that old expense system that just <i>broke</i> on new browsers.
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twymer将近 14 年前
The concern is coming because Mozilla announced that they will soon stop supporting Firefox 4 and the enterprise has a problem with this.<p>Personally, I'm fully supportive of this. I feel that as the browser world is rapidly changing along with HTML5/CSS3, there's not much room to continue supporting (and thus encouraging continued use of) old browser versions.<p>If gaining support of the corporate world (which Mozilla has never had much luck getting into) means leaving developers, support and security resources working on old products this really isn't surprising.
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fmw将近 14 年前
It is open source; they are corporate users. Why don't they collectively hire someone to backport security patches? Sounds like a businessmodel to me. You can't really expect support and consideration for your minority use-case for free, if you aren't paying for the software in the first place.
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kalleboo将近 14 年前
Reading the comments on Mike Kaply's post, this is my favorite quote:<p>«Alienate the corporate users and you’ll alienate home users.»<p>It appears these corporate IT types honestly don't understand why Apple are doing so well.
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sdm将近 14 年前
There are really two problems here<p>* enterprise app development that assumes that there will be no need to maintain an application once developed<p>* corporate IT people needing to justify their existence.<p>Web applications benefit from being easier to install and can be run from a central location; but, as a result of that you can't just toss the running of an app over to IT. You need a small core to maintain it. For most applications this makes the most business sense as the trade off of having one or two people still on the project is less expensive than having IT manage the installs of native applications. The result of moving the enterprise to web apps should have been a massive shrinking of corporate IT head counts and a small increase in dev head counts. Instead we see them defending their budgets by inserting themselves between the user and the browser and performing these massive test cycles. It's simply an inefficient use of resources cause by enterprise empire builders don't want to see a shrinking of their power.
hammerdr将近 14 年前
Am I the only one that is skeptical of the quote in Mike's post [1]? "Managing 500,000 corporate users" seems a bit outlandish to me considering that only one corporation in the world seems to have more than half a million employees period. I am not so sure that Wal-Mart has 500,000 corporate users who are affected by browser upgrades.<p>[1] Linked in the article but <a href="http://mike.kaply.com/2011/06/23/understanding-the-corporate-impact/" rel="nofollow">http://mike.kaply.com/2011/06/23/understanding-the-corporate...</a>
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__rkaup__将近 14 年前
How is this even a problem to corporate users? If they write standards compliant internal web-apps, they should certainly work even better in newer versions of Firefox.
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cmars将近 14 年前
I would rather see Mozilla focus on the individual end user experience than cater to what some IT dept wants.<p>Every BigCo I've worked at, IE was the official supported browser. Firefox was the defacto used browser by employees who probably didn't need a corporate IT managed desktop to get their work done.
binxbolling将近 14 年前
Just curious, but how does Mozilla know that corporate users make up such a small minority?
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blumentopf将近 14 年前
Previous submission on same topic: <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2692205" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2692205</a>
drdaeman将近 14 年前
Yeah, they don't care about corporate users to extend they disabled websockets because of some broken corporate proxies.
rch将近 14 年前
Such a quick jump in major version usually indicates a deep code quality problem. Are we asking the right questions here?
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