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Don't be rich, Live rich

307 点作者 BioGeek将近 14 年前

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motters将近 14 年前
It sounds nice if you can pull it off, but on the occasions where I've been continually moving from place to place I've found it much harder to actually get anything done. Continual travel adds cognitive and other entropic overheads which deplete your mental and energy real estate.
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maccman将近 14 年前
I've been doing the same for 9 months now. I've travelled round the whole world, had a fantastic time, and wrote a book for O'Reilly as I went. It's been the best year of my life. In fact, it turns out that writing books is one of the best ways to do this - as it's very flexible and a successful book will just about cover traveling costs. What most people don't realize, is how cheap it is to do this.<p>As always though, everything is best in moderation. I'm yearning to be back in the startup/technology scene - and I will be come September. I'm sure that'll I'll do another trip like this in my twenties though (I'm 21 now).
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stevenp将近 14 年前
At the beginning of June I went to Chris Guillebeau's first World Domination Summit in Portland, OR (<a href="http://worlddominationsummit.com/" rel="nofollow">http://worlddominationsummit.com/</a>) and met lots of people who are living like this. I highly recommend going next year (I'm already registered!) if you're interested in learning about the techniques people use for lifestyle design.
econgeeker将近 14 年前
We've been doing this for three years now. This couple seemed to focus on having a year abroad, we've made it our lifestyle, and we're doing a startup (rather than consulting).<p>I started this as a response to the "how to keep productive" question, but I'll try to address the other questions people have been asking in the thread later on.<p>We also have the issue of taking some period of time to get back into the productive zone. What we do is spend the visa limit time in each country. For americans in the UK that is 6 months, for instance. So we rented an apartment for 6 months. In the Shengen zone (most of europe) it is 3 months, and last year we spent 2.5 months in berlin.<p>In both cases we spent most of the time working a normal lifestyle %90 of the time. After our 2.5 months in berlin we spent a couple weeks traveling as tourists (that's where the other 0.5 months went.)<p>I figure 2 weeks on either side of a relocation are not going to be productive, so might as well spend half of that time, or so, doing tourist stuff. By having such great breaks regularly, we are recharged and I think more productive when we are working.<p>The weird thing is, indoors, the only thing foreign really is the outlets... so it feels like we're still in the USA, but then you step outdoors and the language, accents and architecture are completely different. So you can "travel" across the globe every day. It is really hard to explain that feeling but it is pretty powerful.<p>-- Taxes &#38; Visas-- As far as governments are concerned we're tourists. We present ourselves this way and we get tourist visas. However, for most visas "tourist" and "business" visas are essentially the same. We don't work in any country in the sense that we don't have a job, we don't participate in their employment schemes. We're taxed like americans (the US taxes your income no matter where it is earned).<p>-- As I mentioned we're doing a startup. (We did one and we're just in the process of pivoting so what the new one is at this point is a little vague.) I don't feel out of the technology scene at all-- I have all the same connections I did before we left, except that I can't go to local unconferneces, but I didn't really get much out of them.<p>There is one conference that I miss that is done in the USA only, but we started buying the videos for it. Spending hundreds of dollars on conference videos sounds expensive, but it is cheap compared to actually going there (Even from within the USA). I don't really miss the networking opportunities-- and we're now networking with a real international network. EG: we network with the locals wherever we are.<p>The technology scene really is global.<p>-- Budget:<p>This is a big one. This inhibits a lot of people. However, if you've got an income from your work, and savings to get by in the USA, you can get buy longer when you're traveling. Even traveling in expensive first world places like europe, right now, we're able to live on the budget we were living on in the USA. Overall, we're actually spending a bit less, and we spend a lot less when we are living in lower cost places (even places in eastern europe, which are "expensive" compared to southeast asia, are cheep.)<p>So, we could have remained in the USA, and spent the same amount of money. I don't think we would have gotten any more work done, and we would have had a lot less fun. Plus, as our product is global, better understanding of other countries helps.<p>--<p>Health insurance: We have the health insurance we had in the USA. It covers us globally. There are specific health insurance plans that cover long term travelers and we might switch, we just haven't done so yet.<p>Neither of us are under 30, nor are we over 50.<p>--<p>Crazy? You hear a lot of people who knock this idea. Lots of people say "I'd love to do that but I've got responsibilities" or the equivalent.<p>That's fine... just don't presume we're not doing serious work, we aren't doing a "real" startup or anything lie that. These days startups often have employees spread around the globe... we don't have to carry the whole company with us.<p>I think people thinks this is harder than it is. Or maybe for some people the idea of living out of a backpack is tough.<p>Personally, I relish the challenge!<p>Between my laptop, camera, and assorted stuff, I've got about 7 pounds of clothes etc, and 10 pounds of electronics gear. Every time we-repack, we actually shed some unnecessary stuff. It is a process... but I love it.
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ilamont将近 14 年前
Living abroad in your 20s is an unforgettable experience. I lived in Europe and Asia for most of the 1990s, and still look back wistfully at that time of my life. I gave up some early career "juice" but got so much more out of it.<p>Note that doing what the OP did is far more difficult if you have children, although it is possible to work stable jobs in a single country for longer stints with kids.
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skarayan将近 14 年前
Moral of the story: structure your life around things you love. Travel is cool, but not for me long term. I love internet startups and getting better with every new idea/execution. Soon, I will be able to stop consulting and get my cash flow from a self sustained business. In the mean time, I consult to fund me ideas. Life is good.
rafski将近 14 年前
Not trying to take away from how fantastic and inspiring a story this is, what's with the "check for grants/subsidizing" bit?<p>Is the ultimate advice "be from a wealthy country that lets you travel on welfare"? :)
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rdouble将近 14 年前
This looks like fun, but so many people have done this now, it's almost a cliche.<p>It almost seems more unique to hear about a hacker from NYC documenting a summer working in New Paltz, rather than another story about social media experts working from cafes in Buenos Aires and Thailand.
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wallflower将近 14 年前
For inspiration, check out Worldhum and Brave New Traveler:<p><a href="http://bravenewtraveler.com" rel="nofollow">http://bravenewtraveler.com</a><p><a href="http://worldhum.com" rel="nofollow">http://worldhum.com</a>
irahul将近 14 年前
&#62; Don't be rich, Live rich.<p>Why not be rich and live rich. I get the "Live rich" part but that "Don't be rich" is unwarranted.
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kristofferR将近 14 年前
BTW, my favorite podcast is The Lifestyle Business Podcast: <a href="http://www.lifestylebusinesspodcast.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifestylebusinesspodcast.com/</a><p>The hosts are two guys who have created a million dollar business in the last three years while traveling. Their business is not some bullshit "blog"/earn money by selling tips on how to make money thing, it's a real business that actually sells physical products.<p>Everybody should check it out. It's a shame that they're charging for the first episodes since it makes it kinda hard to recommend to people (I discovered them before that), but their content is definitely worth paying for. It's probably the best audio-only business content I've heard.
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jonmaim将近 14 年前
A very useful site to help you find a good city/country is numbeo.com. There you can make cost-of-living comparison between 2 cities.<p>For example, look at the difference between Lausanne, Switzerland and Bangalore, India (the indian silicon valley!) -&#62; bit.ly/ltwXUf
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bignoggins将近 14 年前
My wife and I are currently doing something similar. Traveling the world (4 continents, 20+ countries). She's working on photography and blogging while I'm developing my own iphone apps. Best decision we've ever made, and haven't looked back since (been on the road for 3 months, currently at an airbnb in Taiwan). My wife keeps a blog at <a href="http://www.shenventure.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.shenventure.com</a> if you're interested in reading about how we did it.
jonmaim将近 14 年前
Currently doing it in Bangalore, India! Anymore people/couples doing the same right now?
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TA662将近 14 年前
This is just how I'm hoping to spend most of my 20s.<p>I did freelance for a while, and I came to the conclusion that I don't really enjoy doing client work, so now I'm working on a startup instead.<p>Does anybody have experience doing a startup on the road, as opposed to the more common freelancing/blogging/consulting?<p>My aim is to get my SaaS product(s) to the point of requiring almost zero work. (Everything automated, effective 'help' section to keep the amount support emails as low as possible, etc.)<p>This seems impossible with freelancing/blogging/consulting, as you'll only be able to lessen the workload so much (i.e. it can't be self-sustaining), whereas depending on the startup you can theoretically get by on just a few hours work per week, while your revenues are still increasing.
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ori_b将近 14 年前
How does this work with respect to visas and the like? I don't imagine that countries like you coming in to work and earn money without paying any taxes.
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sjmulder将近 14 年前
What’s the best way to go about finding places to live for a short time that don’t cost an arm, leg and rib?
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jbrains将近 14 年前
The most fun part of this lifestyle is being able to say "I'd like to go to Paris again this year", then finding work close enough to Paris to pay for going to Paris. By not needing to squeeze every dollar out of my trips, I can be much more flexible and enjoy the travel more.
robertduncan将近 14 年前
How does immigration law work for this kind of trip? Do you need a work permit/visa?
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seanharper将近 14 年前
This is fascinating, and I would really like to try this at some point. However, I am 30, married and have a 1 year old kid. Does anyone have any similar resources, examples, for people who have done this with kid(s)?
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Tichy将近 14 年前
Wouldn't the rich way to do it be to buy a yacht and float from place to place?
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dennisgorelik将近 14 年前
Internet allows "rich live" without actual traveling.<p>Besides, if you have kids, traveling is much harder / expensive.
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hetaoblog将近 14 年前
interesting experience. for people running personal web business, maybe this is worth trying for some period; I just started to do something during weekends, hope it can grow big to cover my daily job
georgieporgie将近 14 年前
What are the best technologies to focus on in order to be mobile/remote?<p>I've notice that <i>nobody</i> is interested in remote C++ development, and the few people I meet who are doing something like this are in some branch of web development.
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sliverstorm将近 14 年前
Beetle? Vintage? That seems to imply "good"...
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