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An NFT That Saves Lives

138 点作者 prtkgpt大约 4 年前

39 条评论

graeme大约 4 年前
I had hoped PG would write an essay on crypto&#x2F;NFTs, as he seems enthused by them and is good at explaining things.<p>But he explains nothing here. Noora seems good, but that’s a feature of Noora, not NFTs.<p>As for what is going on, I looked at Noora’s post, it seems PG has placed the sole bid on the NFT, valued at $2.6 million at current market prices of ETH.<p>In return he will get a token that says he did it.<p>One part I’m unclear on: if someone outbids him, do only they get the token and pg pays nothing, or do both pay and are the contributions etched into the NFT?<p>&gt; But the higher the price of this NFT goes, the more lives will be saved. What a sentence to be able to write.<p>Noora sounds like a good charity but what is different here from simply saying “the more people donate to Noora, the more lives will be saved”<p>Since Noora knows their ROI they should be able to calculate lives saved from a donation whether it is a normal donation or an NFT purchase.<p>If so, what does the NFT do?<p>Many smart people I follow, who are ordinarily good explainers, are inordinately enthused about crypto. And yet on this single topic none of them have produced any public writing explaining the reasons for their enthusiasm.<p>It is maddening. There may well be something there. But if there is it ought, in principle, to be explainable.<p>———-<p>I should also note you can’t take this and say “NFTs contributed $2.6 million”. You have to consider opportunity costs. The closest alternative to this post would be PG writing exactly the same essay except stating “I donated $2.6 million to Noora and you should too!” with a donate now button.<p>This post hit the HN frontpage, so surely many would have donated. Whereas nobody has donated other than PG.<p>Measured against this alternative, the NFT vs a normal funding mechanism has plausibly <i>cost</i> lives. Not to mention the money that Noora will take out of its funds to do a carbon offset.<p>Perhaps I am misunderstanding how this works, but if I have understood it properly and PG would have done an essay either way this might have cost lives.
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nrmitchi大约 4 年前
I&#x27;m not sure why this is an NFT other than trying to capitalize on the current craze. NFT or not, a charity should still &quot;issue a public report tracking how this specific tranche of money is spent, and estimating the number of lives saved as a result&quot;. Having decent reporting on how efficient your charity is feels like it should be basic table-stakes in order to raise more money in the future.<p>Is this really any different than a charity asking for donations?<p>Edit: asking for <i>one very large</i> charitable donation.
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lifeisstillgood大约 4 年前
I used to run the tech side for a couple of UK-based aid organisations (just out of college - basically database management and home brewed campaign work.)<p>We had <i>terrible</i> marketing response once we left a core base of existing donors - getting new donors in the door for a non-profit was (at least for us) a constant challenge. However, once some external event (sadly some horrific disaster) occurred we would see a spike in willing donors.<p>So this looks like a non-horrific external event - something that might make (at 2 million dollars very rich) rich donors dig deep and contribute.<p>Great - taking money from the wealthy and putting it to good use is a perfect use of anyone&#x27;s time and effort, I hope they raise twice what they expect.<p>Whatever you think of NFTs, I don&#x27;t care - take advantage of any opportunity to increase your donor base - its tough enough out there :-)
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cwkoss大约 4 年前
Will PG be committing tax fraud when he writes off this &#x27;donation&#x27;?<p>He is receiving in exchange a token when notionally has the same value as his &#x27;donation&#x27;. Being able to resell a &#x27;donation&#x27; to someone else to recover part of the cost seems weird and like it could confuse tax treatment.
fallat大约 4 年前
I don&#x27;t think anyone understands that this is purely a &quot;fun&quot; thing to raise money. Yes, it&#x27;s exactly like a donation drive.
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eternauta3k大约 4 年前
If the ~$1000 per life figure is accurate, the GiveWell[1] guys will be all over this.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;givewell.org" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;givewell.org</a>
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throwaway_isms大约 4 年前
Back when YC experimented with application through the community, or &quot;Apply YC:&quot;, I deployed a YCCoin on Ethereum and applied. Basically decentralized Karma. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15226688" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15226688</a><p>There was one comment &quot;why would I use this?&quot; Rightly or wrongly it seems that is still the question everyone has for NFTs.<p>At the same time in 2017 I had simultaneously built out redditco.in, igco.in, and facebookco.in. If you follow NFTs you might be familiar with the Tweet NFTs and Jack&#x27;s first tweet getting a multimillion dollar bid, right as that was occurring I got a cease and desist&#x2F;trademark infringement letter from FB. In a responsive letter I encouraged FB to allow me to auction Zuckerberg&#x27;s first FB post as an NFT along side Jack&#x27;s Tweet and with that I would gladly transfer them the domain names. It sounds dumb at best, tinfoil conspiracy at worst, but that is exactly when the bids on Jack&#x27;s Tweet and all the media surrounding it stopped, and I never got a reply to my response to the TM infringement letter.<p>From there the NFT rabbit hole only got deeper as I began receiving quid pro quos, or pay to play requests for invitations to join an &quot;exclusive&quot; NFT marketplace, even getting a retweet from one of the anonymous NFT collectors on Twitter that has spent millions on NFTs as proof the quid pro quo requests were legit. The Twitter account I was using literally had 1 follower, but was being retweeted by an anonymous NFT collector spending millions (I think even bought one of Grimes&#x27; NFTs for about $750K).<p>I will say this for pg&#x27;s essay, this NFT, and bid...at least pg and company did not create an anonymous or fake persona or personality and pg openly placed the initial bid. However, unless this results in so much backlash no one wants to touch it, my guess is consistent with the entire NFT space, the ultimate bid for this NFT will end up being some anonymous NFT collector with a record of spending millions &quot;collecting&quot; NFTs.
marris大约 4 年前
The NFT here seems to be a publicity stunt to both raise money directly from the auction and also to raise awareness about the charity. I had never heard of this charity before this stunt, and I probably would not have heard of them without it. It certainly seems plausible that &quot;using an NFT&quot; here is a net good, even if there is some carbon cost.<p>You <i>could</i> argue against the stunt, but it requires more work that just stating &quot;carbon costs.&quot; You&#x27;d have to check whether valueOfSavedLife * moneyRaised &#x2F; 1235 + carbonCost &lt; 0. And it looks like the auction is structured so that moneyRaised will be at least 2.5M, so the carbonCost would need to be pretty negative to make the sum negative. What is carbonCost?
kthejoker2大约 4 年前
Leveraging manias for social good sounds appropriately disruptive ..<p>Is there a way to short NFTs? I wish I could proactively sell people&#x27;s regret to them.
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joelthelion大约 4 年前
This is no better than uploading a PDF report on the NGO&#x27;s website. An NFT does not bring any additional guarantees, adds a ton of complexity and most definitely doesn&#x27;t save lives.
lolsal大约 4 年前
Isn&#x27;t this just a receipt? like when I donate shirts to goodwill?
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hoppyhoppy2大约 4 年前
Has Mr. Graham done an honest calculation of how many lives will be lost to the environmental impacts of NFTs if they become mainstream?
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geckoav大约 4 年前
Setting aside the environmental responsibility offset that Noora is planning to embark on, I still don&#x27;t see why this is a viable strategy for an NGO raising funds for on ground impact. Noora operates in a country with strict financial regulation for foreign donations, but still allows funding to come in full (no tax for the NGO). In this case, assuming that the purchase is getting &quot;cashed&quot; out outside India, wouldn&#x27;t there be quite a bit lost in fees and taxes?<p>Another thought that comes to mind is strategy in holding crypto assets by a non-profit - if an asset appreciates, is it profiting and subject to taxes when converted to fiat? If so, is it better to convert immediately, or take the risk in holding crypto for a chance at improving the value of the donation? If you&#x27;re holding (closest equivalent I can think of for nonprofits in Inida is generating returns on an FD made on the corpus), is the donation really doing anything?
hamhamed大约 4 年前
I&#x27;m not sure why everyone is tripping here. He&#x27;s about to save some fucking lives and you suddenly care about the enviroment for sending a mere 100 ETH?<p>Even if we are to look at the big picture, don&#x27;t tell me you believe PG will be the sole reason everyone is going to pick up NFT donations now? It was going to happen regardless.
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sharkjacobs大约 4 年前
If Paul Graham had donated $2.5 million dollars to Noora and written a brief article about it, he probably could have convinced some percentage of his readers to also donate to Noora<p>As is, there&#x27;s a chance that someone will bid more than $2.5 million for this NFT, but the delta between Paul&#x27;s bid and the winning bid will have to be greater than the sum of other non-winner take all donations for this to be a more effective way to raise money<p>On the other hand, if this wasn&#x27;t an NFT, Paul probably wouldn&#x27;t have put up $2.5 million and written an article about it at all, so I guess Noora&#x27;s already better at this than I am
ASpaceCowboi大约 4 年前
Maybe i&#x27;m just an idiot, but this:<p>&gt;For this NFT, they&#x27;re going to issue a public report tracking how this specific tranche of money is spent, and estimating the number of lives saved as a result.<p>In my opinion, that is vital.<p>Many donations to non-profits are used for many various reasons (some justifiable, some definitely NOT).<p>This actually allows tracking on that money. So isn&#x27;t this a good thing? People can easily manipulate stats on documents without having to worry about someone else double checking the work.<p>With the ability to track the NFT&#x27;s currency transactions is good, no?
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mxwsn大约 4 年前
The latest NFT craze is primarily for one-of-a-kind items. I&#x27;d rather see an org like Noora Health sell unlimited NFTs.<p>What&#x27;s exciting is the capability for decentralized apps to interact with NFTs. For example, other ethereum-based games are able to detect and interact with cryptokitty NFTs without the permission of the cryptokitty designer. As a blockchain token proof of donating to charity, you can imagine apps that encourage more donations by recognizing donaters in special ways to help build social capital.
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libra1大约 4 年前
While the calculation of $1,235 to save a life is very good, donating blood is arguably the most efficient way to save a life since it is free.
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aogaili大约 4 年前
While I never understood the value of most NFTs yet. I&#x27;m still not sure if I&#x27;m too smart and too stupid. But either way, Donation NFT sounds better than the Fart NFT I read about the other day. But I&#x27;m still not sure what the NFT is for and how exactly it will save any life..People seem lost in abstractions and fictional stories..
jollybean大约 4 年前
NFT, much like most Crypto doesn&#x27;t &#x27;do&#x27; anything here.<p>It&#x27;s not a financial instrument that creates value.<p>&#x27;Private Corporations&#x27; enable people to group capital together to make useful stuff, that wouldn&#x27;t happen otherwise.<p>&#x27;Public Exchanges&#x27; allow more transparency and broader classes of investors to participate in markets.<p>Investment Banks &#x27;make markets&#x27; for financial instruments so companies can trade things like risk, among other things.<p>There&#x27;s a lot of net value creation going on there even when it&#x27;s fuzzy.<p>If NFTs can encourage people to give to a charity, that&#x27;s great, but of course that shouldn&#x27;t be necessary. Crypto that can&#x27;t effectively be used as currency is not a value creator, at least not until they are exchanged as such.<p>This is frothy, bubble-ish kind of stuff that in my life I have seen implode twice, this time &#x27;it may be different&#x27; in that it may not crash, but the value creation still isn&#x27;t there. We should probably strive to do better than moving around deck chairs, even if it&#x27;s with fancy math or AI.
dandanua大约 4 年前
Actually, I&#x27;m glad that this happened.<p>Now everyone can see the essence of NFT scams.<p>Basically, he made an investment asset from a <i>donation</i>, with an ability to gain more later.<p>How this can be called a donation, if you are going to make more money from a single fact of it, FOR YOURSELF?<p>Hypocrisy maxed out.
jtsiskin大约 4 年前
There is 1 bidder, paulg1
advisedwang大约 4 年前
Is the donation still tax-deductible if you do it through a NFT?
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casi18大约 4 年前
I imagine @pleasrdao might be bidding on this.<p>A nice example of what global settlement layers and co-ordination tools can be (and should be) used for.
spamalot159大约 4 年前
Seems like even PG is succumbing to the hype of NFTs. I don&#x27;t understand how this will be any better than just doing a donation drive and it could possibly be worse for the planet.
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sneak大约 4 年前
I&#x27;m not sure from this blog post what this company has to do with NFTs, or how these NFTs are intended to generate revenue for this organization, or why the tokens being sold can&#x27;t be fungible, or what they&#x27;re for.<p>(Aside: The HTTPs Everywhere extension takes a bit of an issue with pg&#x27;s 199x-vintage website. :)
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serd大约 4 年前
Can PG sell it later for more?
endisneigh大约 4 年前
I don&#x27;t get it. A non-profit is inherently a centralized entity. What&#x27;s the point of using a blockchain in this scenario?
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miguelmota大约 4 年前
This is interesting but a gofundme or regular fundraising event could achieve the same thing, without paying high miner fees too.
svarog-run大约 4 年前
These days<p>HN commentor = hate computer science
TedShiller大约 4 年前
awesome, this is great, a good way to show off NFT&#x27;s
fwip大约 4 年前
Just put up a donation link, please.
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dvt大约 4 年前
Seeing pg peddle NFTs after a16z did it just a few weeks ago is kind of depressing. I guess Silicon Valley VCs must be <i>really</i> stinging about missing out on Bitcoin a few years ago. Not to mention that disguising what&#x27;s essentially a money-making scheme as a benevolent donation is morally murky at best.
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mplewis大约 4 年前
Great, now pg is deep into the Ponzi scheme.
purerandomness大约 4 年前
This is peak absurdism. Why not simply donate the money? How is this better than a Kickstarter?<p>How many lives could pg have saved by donating the billable time it took him to write this post?<p>It gets even better, from the NFT article:<p>&gt; • What about the environmental costs?<p>&gt; We plan to make a significant carbon offset to mitigate the environmental impact of this NFT. Within one week of the closing of this auction we will update this page with details of the steps we took.<p>pg giveth, pg taketh. If you agree that carbon emissions kill, you&#x27;d basically donate for a good cause through an absurdly convoluted money laundering scheme called NFT, and cause massive environmental harm on the other side of the planet, killing even more people, again.<p>I might even draw several trolley problem comics, but the fact this is from pg himself makes me question his sanity and everything he&#x27;s ever written.<p>It&#x27;s the same feeling of betrayal like when Signal turned around and decided to implement a payment token after several of us went ahead and invested time to convert family members away from WhatsApp.<p>Profit over reason. Pyramid schemes disguised as benevolent startups saving lives.<p>Startup culture needs a reboot.
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anotha1大约 4 年前
This NFT will be great for Noora Health. And maybe even N more organizations.<p>Then, as happened many times in the past, similar organizations will start optimizing the wrong metric and their actions will slowly diverge from their mission.
macawfish大约 4 年前
It&#x27;s weird seeing a website that so vehemently defends artificial speculation in housing markets get so worked up about digital raffle tickets
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jellicle大约 4 年前
Charity = good<p>Cryptoscams = bad<p>Want to contribute money? Write a check. Don&#x27;t sully charitable operations by trying to glue a cryptoscam onto them.<p>It seems rude to flag a link to paulgraham.com on Hacker News, but I&#x27;m going to do it anyway. Down with cryptoscams, even ones promoted by Graham.
psswrd12345大约 4 年前
Amazing how short sighted HN is when it comes to NFTs. Blindly accepting the &quot;bad for climate&quot; tripe and showing utter ignorance to the upcoming transition away from energy guzzling proof-of-work to a proof-of-stake world. Sad to see this community act so willfully ignorant to all things crypto.
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