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Announcing Rome Tools, Inc.

201 点作者 sebastianmck大约 4 年前

18 条评论

blocked_again大约 4 年前
&gt; Together, we’re announcing that we’ve raised $4.5 million in seed funding, led by A.Capital Ventures and OSS Capital.<p>VCs fund startups which has the potential to 100x their returns right? How is that going to work here? How will they monetize a javascript library? Will we have an IPO for a javascript library? Or are they betting on a big tech company to acquire a Javascript library for 100s of millions of dollars? I am confused.
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tsdlts大约 4 年前
After using esbuild and experiencing fast builds, I&#x27;ll never go back to tools written in javascript&#x2F;typescript again.
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SamBam大约 4 年前
This feels like a new version of Brunch.<p>Did anyone use Brunch to build and bundle JS projects and manage dependencies? It seemed like the best thing since slice-bread at the time.<p>I recently had to go back and update a 6-year-old project that had been written using Brunch. It took several days of painful work to extract it all out of the framework and built it using Babel.<p>All I&#x27;d want to know with Rome is, if and when I abandon it or it gets abandoned (whichever happens first), how annoyed am I going to be that I had chosen this framework? How seamless will it be to extract my project?
ruffrey大约 4 年前
It’s a difficult, painful problem - meaning there’s an opportunity. Sebastian has the grit to deliver. What’s the business model?
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betterfaster大约 4 年前
I think the future of JavaScript tooling is esbuild and SWC, written in fast compiled languages like Go and Rust. I don&#x27;t see the value proposition in a brand new toolchain written in slow and memory hungry TypeScript&#x2F;JavaScript.
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devit大约 4 年前
Being written in TypeScript and not Rust seems quite a big liability that might see Rome never be popular or lose out quickly due to inferior performance.<p>There is already RSLint and SWC as JavaScript tools written in Rust and I would expect such tools to take over, with a good choice of it happening before Rome is ready.
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cpojer大约 4 年前
The JavaScript tooling ecosystem is fragmented, bloated and slow. Rome is the best - and currently only - bet to fix this. I’m excited!
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proxyon大约 4 年前
I&#x27;m a senior eng in Typescript at a tech company. I will always advocate against adopting this project. Jamie is a perfect example of the toxic attitudes and activism destroying OSS and tech. Lerna or Babel are fine, but then again, they are purely OSS projects, not companies expressly designed to enrich him and reward his toxic activism.
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abc11283大约 4 年前
Disclaimer: I know the foundation of Rome was largely written by Sebastian. This question still applies to Rome though, but more so to “open source companies” in general.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rome.tools&#x2F;credits&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rome.tools&#x2F;credits&#x2F;</a><p>How many of these people are going to receive an employment opportunity from this company? How many will receive equity?<p>I suppose the same questions can be asked if any big project, like React, though that had FB’s backing from the get-go.<p>I understand that OSS needs funding from somewhere, and I am incredibly optimistic about Rome, but I’d think it a bit disheartening to be surprised by this announcement as a contributor.
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capableweb大约 4 年前
Where is the company incorporated? In most countries, companies act for profits first. Especially if you raise funding from a few selected ones instead of the wider community.<p>This statement reads weird too<p>&gt; We don’t believe in placing artificial constraints on the tool or having functionality behind a paywall. In order to support the open source project, we’ll be building supplemental products and services. This aligns our incentives with the community and our open source users, with a focus on interoperability, performance, and usability.<p>Supplemental products and services on top of open source projects often require (down the line) the open source project to adapt because it might hurt the bottom line of these supplemental products and services. Since there is no guarantee this won&#x27;t happen, if the stake is between the company surviving or a feature being open-source vs &quot;supplemental&quot;, the people working at the company might have to chose the option against the wishes of their open source users. I don&#x27;t see how creating a for-profit company is at all in alignment with open source users. Better would have been a Co-op, a non-profit, OpenCollective, or leverage an existing entity like the Linux foundation, that can actually guarantee it for you in contracts and laws.
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lacker大约 4 年前
This is pretty exciting! I&#x27;m glad to see more investment going into the JavaScript developer tooling ecosystem.<p>Some of the open source companies have had an easier time monetizing than others. Databases, for example, have a somewhat obvious path nowadays of offering a hosted version. NPM and Docker, on the other hand, developed incredibly popular tools but struggled to monetize. So I&#x27;m curious to see what Rome will do.<p>The other interesting question to me is what Rome will focus on. There&#x27;s a really wide array of things in the JS toolchain and it&#x27;s tempting to boil the ocean. How much of it can you really boil? Running a nice JS browser stack of course. Supporting TypeScript I presume. How about Node on the backend? An Electron app? All of those in the same codebase?<p>Some tough decisions here but I&#x27;m glad the team working on them is set to grow and attack this problem. Good luck Romans ;-)
anaclet0大约 4 年前
I thought Rome was a Facebook internal project. Am I missing something here?
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jillesvangurp大约 4 年前
I had a quick look at how they are set up and I like what they are doing from the point of view of actually creating an OSS community. I don&#x27;t actually know much about what they do as I&#x27;m not one of their users. Judging this purely from a &quot;does this make sense as an OSS company&quot; point of view.<p>- License: MIT. Great pragmatic choice. Generally a good fit for not obstructing your users to actually use, copying, modifying, etc. your code. Too many OSS startups play games with this and end up going for something too restrictive. IMHO not having copyright transfers is the key to longevity for any OSS community. It basically progressively removes re-licensing as an option as more contributors would have to agree to such a thing. Most long lived oss projects have long lists of contributors and no history of license changes past an early stage of their development. Also, MIT is very compatible with just about anything in the ecosystem. Given their stated goal of being good OSS citizens, that&#x27;s a hard requirement.<p>- Contributing.md: no mention of copyright transfers. Also they have close to twenty contributors. I assume this means the license will stay as it is and there are no plans to change that. Great! This is key to building a successful open source community with people actually contributing as well as using the code. It also ensures the code can survive acquisitions, bankruptcies, mismanagement of the company, etc. Committing to this upfront is important and a big step.<p>- Community: There are seventeen contributors, most of which are not employees (I assume). And they probably integrate a lot of other libraries&#x2F;tools.<p>- Explicit stated goal that affirms the above: &quot;The company exists to support the open source project, not the other way around.&quot;.<p>That does raise a few question marks around valuation and ways to profit from this. I&#x27;m curious about their plans for adding value in the form of services on top of this. I assume this means some cloud based services and&#x2F;or support contracts with consultancy. But then, it&#x27;s good to remove the nuclear option (relicensing) from the table early on to create clarity for developers and investors that this is just not that sort of company.<p>It&#x27;s smart from a business point of view as well because most of what they do will come from outside the company anyway. The nature of the javascript community is people rapidly iterating on tools, libraries, etc. and forking left right and center as needed. So, a lot of value is going to be added through people doing exactly that. You can work with them or against them. With them is the smarter option.
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gremlinsinc大约 4 年前
Rome sounds awesome but the branding confused me for a second...<p>I was trying to find out how this relates to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;roamresearch.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;roamresearch.com&#x2F;</a><p>I guess phonetically my mind was flipping things around.
throwaway91_82大约 4 年前
possibly sensitive question - i recall Sebastian and Kyle had their differences during the ICE issue of 2018 <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;article&#x2F;pawnwv&#x2F;open-source-devs-reverse-decision-to-block-ice-contractors-from-using-software" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;article&#x2F;pawnwv&#x2F;open-source-devs-reve...</a><p>what are Rome&#x27;s intended policies on OSS licensing and usage by ICE?
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pier25大约 4 年前
Any news on plugin support (eg: Svelte)?
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redisman大约 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;927&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;927&#x2F;</a>
coward76大约 4 年前
Can someone tell me how this is different than something like webpack?
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