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Why Billionaires Don't Pay Property Taxes in New York (2015)

110 点作者 fh973大约 4 年前

15 条评论

paxys大约 4 年前
&gt; Looking back, state lawmakers who passed the bill resetting property taxes for New York couldn&#x27;t have dreamed of a skyscraper boom almost 35 years later.<p>Really? New York politicians didn&#x27;t realize that skyscrapers and luxury condos were a thing in the 1980s?<p>This article lays out all the tax code shortcomings and writes it off as expensive condo sales being a new and unique phenomenon in NYC, which is bizarre.<p>Here&#x27;s a simpler explanation – these laws are working exactly as designed.
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seattle_spring大约 4 年前
This an outrage! We should increase taxes on the middle and upper middle class to compensate. That&#x27;ll show em.
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kleiba大约 4 年前
In Germany, another sweet way for a company to avoid paying property taxes is that a good percentage of relevant properties are owned not by the company itself but by a subsidiary &quot;company&quot; specifically founded solely for that purpose.<p>Then, when a property is to change hands, it isn&#x27;t actually sold at all. Instead, the subsidiary company changes owners. Actually not even that, only the majority of the ownership is transferred, or else some other tax laws would kick in. But this way, if you do it right, almost no taxes need to be paid by either party.
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ALittleLight大约 4 年前
This seems incredibly dumb. Why not just create a tax category for condos and set a fair percentage for that, based on sale price?<p>The whole matter of finding an analogous rental unit and extrapolating effective tax value is absurd. It seems like the kind of kludge you&#x27;d invent to live with an incomplete process. The solution is not to complain about the results but to fix the process.<p>Also absurd is blaming the problem on how old the relevant laws are. Are these laws written in stone? &quot;Law makers didn&#x27;t anticipate this&quot; is an excuse for a problem that is months old, not decades. Disgraceful.<p>I wonder if the situation is still as described here or if anything has changed in the intervening years.
credit_guy大约 4 年前
I just went to streeteasy.com and looked at 10 random condos in Manhattan with a price between $20 and $30 MM and then 10 others between $1 and $2 MM. The average tax rate for the first category was 0.37%. For the second 1.07%. In both cases the standard deviation was about one third of the average.
cletus大约 4 年前
There&#x27;s a nuance here the article mentions in passing but missed the significance of (IMHO):<p>The ARV (assessed rental value) system that produces low effective tax rates for ultra-luxury condos is state legislation that predominantly impacts NYC. This is what makes reform so difficult. Most of NYS are SFH owners who simply don&#x27;t pay their share of the property tax burden so resist any attempt to reform the system.<p>Here&#x27;s what NYC needs:<p>1. Ultra-luxury condos need to pay a higher effective property tax rate than where normal people live;<p>2. SFHs and condos owned by corporations or those not tax resident in NYC need to pay a higher rate. NYC shouldn&#x27;t be simply for billionaires parking money in a city they visit for 2 days a year;<p>3. No tax abatements (421a) for ultra-luxury properties. Why are we subsidizing this at all?<p>4. SFHs and condos of similar property value should pay a similar rate of tax.<p>Currently developers build ultra-luxury property because it&#x27;s way more profitable than building affordable property. This needs to change.
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post_break大约 4 年前
Please add 2015 to the title.
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parenthesis大约 4 年前
Because they&#x27;ve moved to Miami?<p>Joking aside, I wonder if there is any other nation with as much tax variation between regions as the US? (Excluding special economic zones.)
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coliveira大约 4 年前
The oldest &quot;industry&quot; in NYC is to give free handouts to millionaires&#x2F;billionaires in the form of cheap land and real state subsidies. It is in reality a form of corruption that has been tolerated in NYC for as long as it has existed, and it is still practiced through the real estate tax benefits that apply only to high end buildings.
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rmk大约 4 年前
A lot of these tax codes have evolved over time and accumulated a lot of handouts from whoever was in power to the people who put them there. The US federal tax code is filled to the brim with all sorts of exceptions inserted by a congressman here, a senator there over decades, either as quid-pro-quos or as politically expedient moves to protect their constituents&#x27; interest. A lot of it is couched as &#x27;we are encouraging investment and providing incentives for that&#x27;. In many cases, this is true. If Uncle Sam does not want to make calls about where to allocate capital, he encourages private enterprise to make such calls via the tax code. I do not see why this is such a bad thing after all. Of course, this may not make sense for residential real-estate, but overall, it&#x27;s surprising that people do not realise this simple fact when they complain loudly about how Warren Buffet pays a lower effective tax rate than his secretary --- of course that&#x27;s by design because Warren Buffet has directed orders of magnitude more capital towards the &#x27;right&#x27; ends than his secretary could, in several lifetimes.<p>The whole article reads like a screed against the hyper-rich who &#x27;aren&#x27;t paying their fair share&#x27;, but you have to ask, if they are merely taking advantage of (and helping shape) the tax code that incentivizes this behavior, who&#x27;s really responsible here? Isn&#x27;t it time we looked at our elected representatives much more critically?
etrabroline大约 4 年前
&gt;Whatever course the de Blasio administration decides to pursue, it cannot afford to do nothing.<p>This is a misdirection. de Blasio can no more screw over the real estate interests that control NYC politics than anyone else. He&#x27;s an unpopular ineffective weak leader propped up by their system. His job is to take up space and be a punching bag, and he&#x27;s doing a great job.
autokad大约 4 年前
click bait tittle, they pay property taxes in NYC, just a much lower % rate.<p>&gt; &quot;The combined 89th and 90th floor penthouse at One57 set the new high-water mark for a single-family residence sale in New York. While the owner paid nine figures for the penthouse, the city only taxed the unit for $17,000 in property taxes. That&#x27;s an effective property tax rate of 0.017 percent—about one one-hundredth of the average national tax rate.&quot;
dheera大约 4 年前
Why don&#x27;t we just get rid of property taxes, and just keep income tax and sales tax and be done with it?<p>I find it immoral to tax people on things they already own and have already paid taxes on in the form of the income they used to purchase said item.<p>A big part of the upside of this will be cheaper rents for the rest of us, because right now, ultimately, real estate owners just pass the property tax responsibility to us in the form of higher rents.
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outworlder大约 4 年前
&gt; Why Billionaires Don&#x27;t Pay Property Taxes in New York<p>Same reason as everything else.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=rStL7niR7gs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=rStL7niR7gs</a> (CGP Grey: Rules for Rulers)
_rpd大约 4 年前
tl;dr: it is a deliberate consequence of the NYC tax code to encourage real estate development.
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