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Golden Handcuffs

182 点作者 bitsweet大约 4 年前

38 条评论

choppaface大约 4 年前
The C-level to IC comp ratio is still way too astronomical. If a VC is telling you he feels there’s a better way to comp, he has a financial interest in ensuring your loss.<p>Do not support investor-focused comp models like backweighted vesting (Amazon) or outright fraud like a start-up giving you a stock offer with no percentage or no 409A.<p>Employees deserve high-quality equity on par with investors. The OP’s suggestion is a major step back in one of the greediest economies in history. Complete non-starter. Don’t let this guy live in your thoughts rent-free.
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gkoberger大约 4 年前
This sounds employee-friendly, but it&#x27;s total BS.<p>You&#x27;ll just be getting less equity at a higher strike price every year, so it&#x27;s just a sneaky way for these companies to give employees less. They can still say &quot;we&#x27;re giving you $100k in stock this year&quot;, but it&#x27;s a lot less stock since you&#x27;re not locked into a strike price.<p>If you want to leave after 1 year (post-cliff), you can leave under either scheme and get 1 year&#x27;s worth of equity. This doesn&#x27;t solve any &quot;golden handcuff&quot; problems, it just hurts employees.
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conjecTech大约 4 年前
This is horrific for employees. Ben Kuhn already nailed the math here[1]. The optionality embedded in long-dated grants is a huge fraction of total comp at high-growth companies and represent almost the entire right tail of outcomes. It also requires assumptions about the future, which is why companies generally abstain from quantifying what it&#x27;s worth. It seems like the companies doing this are trying to arb that uncertainty by retaining all of the potential gain for themselves in exchange for a slightly larger nominal income.<p>Don&#x27;t do it.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.benkuhn.net&#x2F;optopt&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.benkuhn.net&#x2F;optopt&#x2F;</a>
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dasil003大约 4 年前
Okay, reality check: the most substantive part of this change is shifting 4-year vest to 1-year vest. This means 75% of the upside an employees stock compensation is taken away. That&#x27;s the main effect here. The rest of the talk about percentile pay comp targets among peer companies is rounding error by comparison.<p>If FAANG had adopted this structure over the last 13 years, understand the number of rank and file engineers that became millionaires would have been reduced by an order of magnitude or more. This is just another way for VCs and finance in general to use their knowledge and positioning to skim all the upside on fast-growing companies.<p>It&#x27;s one thing for a company to change their compensation policy and spin it in the best possible light—I don&#x27;t like it, but it&#x27;s just one company and I can at least hope the market teaches them a lesson. However for a VC like Fred Wilson to try to paint this as an unequivocal good is disgusting. Essentially this &quot;golden handcuffs&quot; argument is saying that rank and file employees who earn above market due to betting their labor long-term on a single company are a risk that should not be allowed.
throwaway-44373大约 4 年前
What it seems to me this is saying is the following: - before we&#x27;d give you X options (say, 40,000) vesting over 4 years - now you get 1&#x2F;4 of that, 10,000 vesting annually<p>The strike price of both grants is the same (say, $1&#x2F;option)<p>Now the question is, what happens year 2?<p>If the company is a lot more valuable, two things will change: - strike price will be higher (say, $3&#x2F;option) which makes the options slightly less attractive. But that&#x27;s not the big deal - # of options will go down, because the more companies grow the more options are valuable and the less they give out to employees. So year 2 options will be 5K.<p>If this continues, over 4 years the end the employee will have something like 10K + 5K + 3K + 2K = 20K options vs 40K. Not only that, but the 20K options will have a much higher blended rate.<p>On the positive side, there will be no reason for the employee to stay if they don&#x27;t want the new grant. But the reason they don&#x27;t have to stay is that they were not comp&#x27;ed as much in the beginning.<p>So me reading between the lines, this will mean a lot less compensation for early employees of successful startups vs the traditional model.<p>There is a reason why the handcuffs are called golden. At the end of the day employees decide to stay because it&#x27;s worth it for them.
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nineplay大约 4 年前
I&#x27;ve talked to two FAANG-level recruiters recently about remote openings, which are all the rage now.<p>One was willing to give a base-salary range but absolutely refused to provide any comp information beyond that. Signing bonus? Equity? &quot;We are still working out those numbers for remote employees, we&#x27;ll negotiate when we give you an offer&quot;<p>The other - everyone at the same level at the same location gets the same comp and the same equity, here it is.<p>Guess which one I&#x27;m willing to pursue. These days the whole process of doing a tech interview is grueling, between the &#x27;leet&#x27; coding practice, the take-home assignments, the 4-8 separate interviews. If they think I&#x27;m putting myself through all that without some guarantee of a considerable pay raise, they&#x27;re crazy.<p>I don&#x27;t think &quot;wait til we get you the offer&quot; is going to work much longer for a lot of companies. Not unless they go back to the old-fashioned &quot;tell us about yourself&quot; interviews, which would be quite a relief but I don&#x27;t see happening anytime soon.
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cddotdotslash大约 4 年前
Can we just link directly to the Coinbase post [1] instead of this 8-sentence blog spam?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.coinbase.com&#x2F;how-coinbase-is-rethinking-its-approach-to-compensation-9aaf7d5d638e" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.coinbase.com&#x2F;how-coinbase-is-rethinking-its-app...</a>
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seasoup大约 4 年前
This is a plan that is much worse for employees, being presented as if it were better. At least be honest about feeling like you are paying employees too much equity up front and want to pay them less.
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drewg123大约 4 年前
One of the things that I love about working for Netflix is that they just pay you every 2 weeks and that&#x27;s basically it. There are no RSUs that are stacking up, no yearly bonus, etc. No smoke and mirrors. No internal websites to calculate the value of your compensation like at Google.<p>I remember how much trouble the yearly bonuses caused when I worked at Google. In the fall, some people would become much less active and turn from top performers into dead wood while they hung around, waiting for the yearly bonus payout in Jan.
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alecbz大约 4 年前
I feel like you only need to read into this a _tiny_ bit to see how weird it sounds:<p>&gt; It sucks that people might want to leave a company but won&#x27;t because of how well they pay, so we decided to stop paying so well! Problem solved!<p>It&#x27;d be one thing if the comp was adjusted somehow to make up for the loss of extra upside. (Some companies switching to 1-year grants seem to be saying they&#x27;re going down this route). But just cutting the grant length is literally just a comp decrease. (Which, of course, makes it easier to leave).
qdog大约 4 年前
The problem is unless you hold onto the stock, you are not tied to the long-term growth of the company.<p>I think this is really trying to optimize to keep only the high performers without having to have a traditional stack ranking system.<p>Interestingly, I recall the Google article about the highest performing teams not being made up of the highest performing individuals, but the best communicators. No one seems to be trying to hire to create the best teams, but still just the highest performing individuals. Perhaps there is a Moneyball in tech work.
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smilekzs大约 4 年前
From the linked article on Coinbase&#x27;s compensation ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.coinbase.com&#x2F;how-coinbase-is-rethinking-its-approach-to-compensation-9aaf7d5d638e" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.coinbase.com&#x2F;how-coinbase-is-rethinking-its-app...</a> ):<p>&gt; Because our standard offers are world-class, we are officially eliminating negotiations on salary and equity from our recruiting process.<p>&gt; We are OK if we lose some candidates due to this decision — the best candidates for Coinbase are those who are looking for a highly competitive package and are ready to let their contributions speak for themselves.<p>I&#x27;m sorry but that&#x27;s a self-contradiction (even oxymoron). &quot;highly competitive package&quot; these days is <i>after negotiation</i>, period. If you&#x27;re 100% firm on the offer when asked, then people seeking &quot;highly competitive package&quot; (after balancing all other factors of course) can and will simply walk.<p>As for the &quot;let their contributions speak for themselves&quot;: For (especially early stage) startups, any promise to raise the compensation later *cannot be trusted*, period. It&#x27;s not written on your offer (except for maybe &quot;guaranteed&#x2F;target bonus&quot;), and the management could always come up with &quot;budgets&quot; --- basically handing out far less than what would make up for the initial compensation deficit, maybe except for a few people in the &quot;inner circle&quot;. Having been both in and out of the &quot;inner circle&quot; myself, this difference can be significant over time. Also as the startup goes through funding rounds, company policy will change and the people who &quot;promised&quot; you will inevitably leave, etc. etc.
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tourist_on_road大约 4 年前
I sense greed on part of coinbase. If coinbase doesn&#x27;t want to have 4 year vest schedule which makes up a significant portion of salary, Why don&#x27;t they follow what netflix is doing and just give out salary as full base salary instead of any RSUs.
URSpider94大约 4 年前
After thinking about this, I think they’ve created a false dichotomy here. As an employee who is heavily compensated with stock, I’ve experienced “golden handcuffs,” where my annual compensation, including vesting shares, is much higher than what the company, or any other rational employer, would have paid me that year. The only way to fix this would be … to pay me less by not granting me restricted shares for so far into the future. Net-net, the enterprise will shell out less money in compensation under this plan.<p>I can see why companies don’t like this situation, because it’s very hard to reward performance with compensation when everyone is making far more than scale. Your best and worst performers all take home big checks. But to pitch this as an employee-friendly move is gaslighting at its worst.
ralph84大约 4 年前
Don&#x27;t piss on my shoes and tell me it&#x27;s raining. Just say it: As an investor you want to keep more of the wealth employees create for you.
fullshark大约 4 年前
As a laborer, if I have a choice between a world where golden handcuffs exist and world where they don&#x27;t, I choose the world where golden handcuffs exist. Presumably the idea is they will be forced to make work better to retain employees instead and it will a net win for workers, but there&#x27;s zero details or explanation as to how exactly that will happen.
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kritiko大约 4 年前
This reminds me of restaurants adopting (and then mostly abandoning) no tipping policies. You&#x27;re trying to change an entire culture, good luck!<p>&quot;Letting that market operate efficiently and not trying to game it makes a lot of sense to me.&quot;<p>This is not obvious to me. In many ways, the job market is not like other markets. Onboarding employees is a money-losing proposition. Turnover is disruptive. Recruiters cost money. Benefits operate on a calendar-year basis or have waiting periods.... I could go on, but there are all sorts of reasons for companies to pursue retention over an &quot;efficient market.&quot;
ericjang大约 4 年前
My general rule of thumb is that if the new comp arrangement isn&#x27;t better in an obvious, predictable way, then it probably isn&#x27;t better for the employee.<p>I think it would be good for Fred or Coinbase comp team to provide the expected payoff calculations for various kinds of employees under this new scheme - the hard numbers and probabilities (even optimistic ones) would be what convince me.
mattpratt大约 4 年前
Reminds me of a16z&#x27;s &quot;dead equity&quot; blogpost, largely revolving around employees with lingering options who no longer contributed their &quot;fair share&quot;.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;a16z.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;23&#x2F;options-timing&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;a16z.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;23&#x2F;options-timing&#x2F;</a><p>&gt; Well, not exactly. There is a more fundamental issue at the &gt; heart of this seemingly good solution: A 10-year exercise &gt; window is really a direct wealth transfer from the employees &gt; who choose to remain at the company and build future &gt; shareholder value, to former employees who are no longer &gt; contributing to building the business&#x2F; its ultimate value.<p>But not mentioned in either is that these long running exercise windows &quot;hurt&quot; _all_ shareholders, especially investors. Nice of both to make this about the little man&#x2F;woman.<p>I only wish their worth and value to the company was met with the same scrutiny they seem to give employees.
darod大约 4 年前
Is he misusing the definition for &quot;golden handcuffs&quot;? From my understanding, the issue is that an employee has 90 days to exercise one&#x27;s options. Most can&#x27;t afford to do so if the company isn&#x27;t public due to the cost to exercise and the tax burden. I&#x27;m not sure how this new options structure addresses that.
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TulliusCicero大约 4 年前
I don&#x27;t see how 4-year stock grants that steadily vests are golden handcuffs at all, since if you switch to a similar company they&#x27;ll just give you a new stock grant that also steadily vests.<p>The only part that&#x27;s like golden handcuffs is the 1-year cliff that&#x27;s standard, but 1 year ain&#x27;t bad.
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compiler-guy大约 4 年前
&quot;A bird in hand is worth two in a bush.&quot;<p>This seems to make long-term ccompensation even more volatile. Who says the company will grant me a similar options package all 4-years. Business needs change, and it might do any of a million other things.<p>Sure, the stock-price may go up, or may fall, but that is somewhat out of the day-to-day control of the company. Or it is much more out of the company&#x27;s control than next year&#x27;s personnel budget, where you just have to convince the CFO of what the right grant value will be.
trompetenaccoun大约 4 年前
Coinbase is an interesting company. They&#x27;re grossly underrated and laughed off as an online casino, but they invest all that money they make very wisely and strategically to grow the business.<p>I find another paragraph from that press release interesting:<p>&gt;<i>Traditionally people expect they need to negotiate for the best package after being hired in a new job. Those that do this well tend to be rewarded, and those that don’t lose out. These negotiations can disproportionately leave women and underrepresented minorities behind, and a disparity created early in someone’s career can follow them for decades. We want to do everything we can to ensure that’s not the experience at Coinbase. All employees in the same position, in the same location, receive the same salary and equity offer. No exceptions.</i><p>If this was mandated to be standard practice, instead of the insane approach some countries take with minority quotas and such, we&#x27;d be a lot further in terms of equality in the work place. Also salary negotiation favors aggressive and outgoing types, while there might be qualified candidates who get left behind just because of their personality.
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Trumpi大约 4 年前
If my base salary is competitive, and I get vesting grants on top of that, then I don&#x27;t see it as a bad thing.<p>If the vesting grants are an excuse to underpay me, then that is a bad thing.<p>An employer&#x27;s perspective is different to mine, and some companies cannot compete by offering grants. This is probably what this article is really about.
Bulpi大约 4 年前
I don&#x27;t mind Golden Handcuffs.<p>Its just one part of a companies toolbox to increase retention.<p>If you would tell me that i get my current additional bonus as it is without splitting it up to 3 years, i would of course take it but i assume that internally they were able to form&#x2F;create this type of program and the 3 years was an internal bargain chip.
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codemac大约 4 年前
Huh? So now handcuffs with no gold?<p>This is much worse for start up employees - as grants each year allow for even more dilution, management hand wringing, and changed expectations. Do founders stock get magically taken away when they suck at being a CEO? When deadlines are missed? Generally they just get moved to the board.<p>The commitment you receive from your employees is HUGE. They show up 40+ hours a week, and bet their entire family and time on your company. Stop acting like somehow paying them even 0.1% as well as your founder is somehow a &quot;bad marriage&quot;.<p>If they&#x27;re pulling down the team, fire them. If you&#x27;re afraid they&#x27;re making too much money and may quit &#x2F; retire - why are you in capitalism at all? Ownership is supposed to provide benefits.<p>The brazen attitude towards those that actually build your ivory tower is incredible.
flashgordon大约 4 年前
I wonder if this is a good thing for &quot;early-ish stage startups&quot; in the long run? If all big-cos start doing this (and since the first few players have already folded I dont see a reason for the rest not to) this may end up standardizing pays with no upside for the employees. So finally the risk-taking employees have more of an incentive to found or join startups. May be even better, since this kind of greed is (possibly) a by-product of the size more of the startups will be motivated towards more realistic exits instead of growth for the sake of growth!
6gvONxR4sf7o大约 4 年前
I feel like four year stock grants, more than anything else, are responsible for the upwards wage pressure that has led to the high pay in the Silicon Valley tech scene. You come in earning $X and a few years later you’re earning $2X without needing a promotion. Now if another company wants to steal you away they have to offer starting comp to match your golden handcuffs.<p>Reduced golden handcuffs can only hurt the rank and file labor market. No surprise a VC is enthusiastic about it.
ec109685大约 4 年前
I don’t get this spin. In the old way, you had golden handcuffs because your stock had appreciated so much, it made financial sense to stick around until your options fully vested.<p>In the new way, all that potential upside comp is eliminated, so employees will earn less and feel better about leaving.<p>Seems like first option is far better for employees. Please give me those golden handcuffs.<p>This was also the best way for normal employees to “strike it rich”, which isn’t a bad thing.
colin_mccabe大约 4 年前
A lot of companies stop issuing stock options when they get to a certain size. Part of the thinking is that the company is now a &quot;safe bet&quot; so there&#x27;s no need to give employees a potentially large upside in exchange for staying around.<p>Another reason for doing this is that stock options don&#x27;t work well when the stock price (and company valuation) is already high. You end up with a big tax bill betting on growth that often doesn&#x27;t come for already-highly-valued companies.<p>You could spin this as being employee-friendly, but it&#x27;s more about being pragmatic about the fact that the company probably won&#x27;t be able to 10x its valuation like in the old days, and now views itself as &quot;safer.&quot;
lumost大约 4 年前
As an employee this opens a few uncomfortable discussions. If your comp is heavy on equity, you may find yourself facing a paycut next year. For many engineers this could easily be a sudden 50% paycut during performance reviews. If a company chooses not to refresh your grant at the same level in 2-3 years time, then you&#x27;ll have had plenty of warning to leave or for you and the company to figure things out.<p>The problem with a 1 year grant is that it provides an unstable compensation target, for a public company most employees will prefer cash to shares that may be up or down 15% at year end.
smilekzs大约 4 年前
&gt; the idea that an employee can’t leave because they would be giving up too much money if they do.<p>This is part of the reason a cash-biased compensation package at a startup can be attractive. Effectively it places less coupling between your career path and financial success, which IMHO reduces unnecessary stress and gives you freedom to make the trade-off between these two at the time of _your convenience_, rather than some fixed number of months.
kerng大约 4 年前
No one year cliff good.<p>New grant (assuming with new price) every year is a joke. Potential for rapid wealth growth is the reason many work for a startup in first place.
einpoklum大约 4 年前
&gt; We operate in an open market for talent.<p>Don&#x27;t you just love it when you&#x27;re treated as a commodity in a market?<p>&gt; we ... expect them to earn their seat at Coinbase.<p>So, I&#x27;m working someplace, I&#x27;m always under threat of termination and have to prove, repeatedly, that my seat shouldn&#x27;t be taken from under me.<p>Of course, the owners of coinbase don&#x27;t have to earn their seats every year, or any year, right?<p>At this point I would make a derisive comment about Capitalism, but to be honest - the company&#x27;s business is financial speculation with made-up currency, so I guess that&#x27;s to be expected.
zuhayeer大约 4 年前
Some more on single year equity grants here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.levels.fyi&#x2F;blog&#x2F;one-year-equity-grants-vesting-schedule.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.levels.fyi&#x2F;blog&#x2F;one-year-equity-grants-vesting-s...</a><p>This seems like something more later stage, high growth companies are adopting. It’s simply much cheaper for the company to give out single year grants. Basically a challenge to the whole &quot;rest and vest&quot; culture.
zuhayeer大约 4 年前
If this is so good, why not switch your old employees on the 4 year grants to it?
lostdog大约 4 年前
Both this VC&#x27;s post and coinbase&#x27;s post ignore the 90-day exercise window on stock options, so they&#x27;re getting rid of the &quot;golden&quot; but keeping the &quot;handcuffs.&quot;
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almost_usual大约 4 年前
No desire to invest in Coinbase or work there.