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Fierce Nerds

441 点作者 prtkgpt大约 4 年前

93 条评论

greyhair大约 4 年前
I worked with a number of brilliant people at Bell Labs through the 1980s&#x2F;1990s. The most comfortably competent among them, the most productive among them, were also the least abrasive. They were also the most self deprecating.<p>Not just one or two, but the majority of them. To the point that the aggressive geniuses stood out. And I worked for&#x2F;with two abrasive ones as well, so I know the difference.<p>The same was true for the two startups I worked at after that, and Qualcomm, and now the third startup where I work.<p>The really productive geniuses in each situation were easy to work with, I think largely, because of their confidence in their own grasp of the subject at hand. They had nothing to prove, they knew that, and it showed. The difficult people were never stupid, far from it, but they felt like they needed to defend everything they did, every decision they made, and that made working with them less productive.<p>With the gentle geniuses, if you thought you came up with something that was an improvement on what was being done, they would look at it honestly, and if it was not better, they would calmly explain why, and if it was better, they would acknowledge it right out and discuss how to merge that into the current work.<p>The &#x27;less gentle&#x27; ones would take pride in pointing out the flaws in your idea if you were wrong, and if you were right, would fight you over whether it had any real value at all, then would stiff arm you as far as getting it accepted as a change.
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wiggumspiggums大约 4 年前
&quot;Will you be clever at the expense of others, or will you be kind?&quot; -Jeff Bezos<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.princeton.edu&#x2F;news&#x2F;2010&#x2F;05&#x2F;30&#x2F;2010-baccalaureate-remarks" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.princeton.edu&#x2F;news&#x2F;2010&#x2F;05&#x2F;30&#x2F;2010-baccalaureate...</a><p>&quot;Fierce nerds&quot; can be valuable. Sure. But the folks who truly stand out in my mind are a level higher. They&#x27;re the ones at the top of their game, who know how to demand &amp; command excellence, without being jerks about it.<p>I&#x27;m reminded of this episode of &quot;The Chef Show&quot; where Jon Favreau compliments Roy Choi behind his back. He tells Bill Burr that he had followed Roy around for a full day, going to all his restaurants and food trucks, and not once did Roy raise his voice to his staff. It&#x27;s pretty cool to see how much admiration one artist&#x2F;leader has for the other, not because of their technical skills but because they choose to be kind.<p>I don&#x27;t think we need to settle for being &quot;fierce nerds&quot;.
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getpost大约 4 年前
Since pg&#x27;s essay is of a psychoanalytic nature, I&#x27;ll reply in a psychoanalytic frame, for the sake of conversation, not criticism. [Protip: never psychoanalyze anyone! This likely applies even to psychoanalysts.]<p>During the last year or two pg has written more than a few essays and tweets which appear to be of a defensive nature. People like him contribute more than other people, it&#x27;s alright to to be fierce, can&#x27;t speak the &quot;truth,&quot; etc.<p>Whenever there is dichotomous thinking, cognition has moved away from clarity. If it were me, I&#x27;d be asking myself, What is being defended? (This kind of question can be a multi-decade inquiry.)<p>Although most of us are easily baited into self-justification or self-promotion, I think going down that path it is ultimately a distraction from doing real work and knowing who you are.
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version_five大约 4 年前
I see the description he puts forward as essentially fitting contrarian types.<p>Speaking as a contrarian myself, I think the biggest challenge &#x2F; trap is it&#x27;s easy to point out things that are wrong or stupid, but tougher to do anything positive about it. I think this equates to the idea about avoiding becoming bitter.<p>Also, something he missed, and the curse of the contrarian, is &quot;the market can stay irrational long enough for you to lose all your money&quot;. This happens all the time with unorthodox ideas, you can be right but if the mainstream doesn&#x27;t shift in your favor before too long, you get ignored, discredited, or worse. I&#x27;d argue this is a bigger problem now, there is more polarization and a shorter feedback cycle so ideas get shot down and people fall out of favor much more quickly. Popular but wrong ideas, once they have &quot;network effects&quot; are much stickier than they once were. All this is tougher on the contrarian, or &quot;fierce nerd&quot;.
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javajosh大约 4 年前
The first rush of comments are all negative, mostly of the <i>ad hominem</i> sort, accusing PG of publicly psychoanalyzing himself. And yet, I really liked the essay because it reads like a lifeline to those who doubt themselves, perhaps profoundly. To PG the same qualities that alienate a &quot;fierce nerd&quot; in so many contexts are precisely the same qualities that could lead to success (even dominance) in other contexts.<p>The useful follow on to this essay, I would think, is to give a list, as long as possible, of places where &quot;fierce nerds&quot; are wanted, demanded, needed - both well-known institutions and startups.<p>Another useful follow up would be to give better advice about achieving harmony. Everyone deserves peace; to put it another way, progress that requires a human to sacrifice love isn&#x27;t worth making.
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oreally大约 4 年前
That&#x27;s a pretty good description, and many of the posts here are about fierce nerds with petty issues which I think the essay is not about.<p>I&#x27;ve grown into that fierce nerd. Being in forced conscription in my 20s has made me wary of the &#x27;wait to rush for nothing meaningful&#x27; culture. Then I joined companies and it feels like a ton of my time is wasted by processes, norms and ideologies. I did break out once to try and make a business but that hasn&#x27;t worked out. So now I&#x27;m in employment just to earn&#x2F;invest to have enough for a certain level of financial independence and I&#x27;m feeling that bitterness rise up again.<p>I&#x27;m very likely destined to burn out of industries&#x2F;companies that aren&#x27;t my own quickly, and this could cascade into bad looking resumes. It feels like a do or die situation sometimes.
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chalst大约 4 年前
&gt; And moreover it&#x27;s clear from the story that Crick and Watson&#x27;s fierce nerdiness was integral to their success.<p>I dare say PG&#x27;s analysis of the psychology of Crick &amp; Watson is correct, but one should not take only Watson&#x27;s word for it about the source of their success. Rosalind Franklin was the first to observe the double-helix structure, a fact omitted from Watson&#x27;s book.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sites.psu.edu&#x2F;magdaliapassionblog&#x2F;2018&#x2F;02&#x2F;08&#x2F;watson-and-crick&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sites.psu.edu&#x2F;magdaliapassionblog&#x2F;2018&#x2F;02&#x2F;08&#x2F;watson-...</a>
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CoastalCoder大约 4 年前
&gt; Fierce nerds also tend to be somewhat overconfident, especially when young.<p>I wonder if that statement is overly specific. AFAIK, young people in general, or at least young men in general, have a reputation for being overconfident.
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teachingassist大约 4 年前
Using James Watson as an example is an interesting choice.<p>When I think of James Watson, I think of someone who a) stole his major work (the one thing for which he is famous) from a woman without giving credit, and b) has been almost-literally cancelled for being consistently racist, also by his colleague-science-nerds who consistently report that they don&#x27;t like him.<p>Not someone that I want to celebrate for being a &#x27;fierce nerd&#x27;.
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albatruss大约 4 年前
If you&#x27;re going to be this sort of fierce nerd, make sure you come from money, because you&#x27;re getting fired if you pursue these traits in the workplace.
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ZephyrBlu大约 4 年前
This essay feels like it really panders to the reader.<p>It excuses poor social skills, tells you that you too can become rich by simply &quot;getting the right answer&quot; and that it&#x27;s the best time ever to be a nerd.<p>I don&#x27;t buy it. The only way this makes sense is in <i>hindsight</i> if you&#x27;re massively successful. Otherwise you&#x27;re just the weird person who has poor social skills and is obsessed with &quot;solving problems&quot;.
davidhunter大约 4 年前
Although questionable as a psychometric test, he is describing the Myers–Briggs INTJ [1] or INTP [2] personality type here. In terms of the Big-Five [3], I would suggest: Moderately-high Openness, High Conscientiousness, Average-to-Low Extraversion, Low Agreeableness, Average-to-low Neuroticism.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.16personalities.com&#x2F;intj-personality" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.16personalities.com&#x2F;intj-personality</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.16personalities.com&#x2F;intp-personality" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.16personalities.com&#x2F;intp-personality</a><p>[3]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Big_Five_personality_traits" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Big_Five_personality_traits</a>
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fungiblecog大约 4 年前
I think the problem with Paul Graham&#x27;s writing is that it always comes down to talking about getting rich.<p>A lot of people - including very intelligent people - have other things they&#x27;d rather do than play such a stupid game. Unfortunately the world is pushing everyone in that direction which will create a lot of bitterness because most people necessarily lose that game.
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peterthehacker大约 4 年前
The “fierce nerd” sounds a lot like what Reed Hastings (Netflix, Founder) calls “brilliant jerks.” To quote his recent book:<p>&gt; Sometimes really talented people have heard for so long how great they are, they begin to feel they really are better than everybody else. They might smirk at ideas they find unintelligent, roll their eyes when people are inarticulate, and insult those they feel are less gifted then they are.<p>At Netflix, they say “no brilliant jerks” because they will “rip your organization apart from the inside”.[0]<p>A lot of this sounds like justification for a brilliant jerk’s behavior. While it’s tempting to take the “fierce nerd” badge and wear it proudly, ferocity can turn into jerkiness pretty quickly.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;No-Rules-Netflix-Culture-Reinvention&#x2F;dp&#x2F;1984877860&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;No-Rules-Netflix-Culture-Reinvention&#x2F;...</a>
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carapace大约 4 年前
To young &quot;fierce nerds&quot;: The single best piece of advice I got for dealing with normals was, &quot;Act like a dumbass and they&#x27;ll treat you like an equal.&quot; (from the Book of the Subgenius.)<p>- - - -<p>There&#x27;s a lot to unpack in this essay, some good some bad IMO.<p>One thing I feel is worth mentioning: I don&#x27;t think the cure for bitterness is success, I believe it&#x27;s <i>helping others</i>.
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zzzeek大约 4 年前
&gt; Another solution may be to somehow turn off your fierceness, by devoting yourself to meditation or psychotherapy or something like that. Maybe that&#x27;s the right answer for some people. I have no idea.<p>I do, and I think you should invest in these things (not &quot;devote your life&quot;, PG shows his deep ignorance here of these things as though they are black and white). if you are in the overwhelming vast majority of &quot;fierce nerds&quot; that does not become a billionaire, or even if you do, you will invariably have a lot of problems in social situations and close relationships until some investment is made in tempering this extreme sort of personality.<p>&gt; But it doesn&#x27;t seem the optimal solution to me. If you&#x27;re given a sharp knife, it seems to me better to use it than to blunt its edge to avoid cutting yourself.<p>PG encouraging people to be emotionally unhealthy so that they can add to his pool of talent for him to profit from. The fierce nerd, great term btw, is ambitious and brilliant. they can do <i>all</i> of these things at the same time. It might just cut down the full on &quot;become a billionaire&quot; mindset, but that&#x27;s a good thing, since it&#x27;s unethical to <i>be</i> a billionaire.
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paulpauper大约 4 年前
This whole things feels autobiographical<p><i>I have some good news, and some bad news. The good news is that your fierceness will be a great help in solving difficult problems. And not just the kind of scientific and technical problems that nerds have traditionally solved. As the world progresses, the number of things you can win at by getting the right answer increases. Recently getting rich became one of them: 7 of the 8 richest people in America are now fierce nerds.</i><p>starting one of the 10 most successful businesses of the past 2-4 decades business vs solving a problem are not the same thing though. Problem solvers on average do not make that much money. Look at all the problems solved everyday on stack overflow&#x2F;exchange. How many of those ppl are making lots of money. Same for freelancing sites. The rates are pretty low. making money means a lot to PG, but it&#x27;s a separate type of skill than solving problems. It is something that is probably harder in many respects because it requires not only solving problems but making money from it, which means competition and other aspects of business.
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1cvmask大约 4 年前
I think we should confine this to the primarily US setting (and maybe parts of the English speaking world like Canada). In most of the rest of the world being top in academics is expected from everyone especially to pass standardized tests (the only way in many countries) to get into universities. The poor outnerd the rich fiercely so that they can step up. The rich try to nerd so that they can maintain their privilege.<p>There are no secret backdoors (like athletics) for the rich in the public schooling and university realm that exist in most of these countries. In essence everyone is a nerd or trying to be a nerd.<p>In the US system, one could make the argument that elite legacies and the fencing team help the manufactured diversity and lower the “nerd” (achievement oriented) “toxicity.”.<p>A study abroad for just a semester would be an eye-opener for many of us on the normalcy of nerdness in many societies. Most parents hope their kids become doctors, engineers etc.
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mcguire大约 4 年前
&quot;<i>I have some good news, and some bad news. The good news is that your fierceness will be a great help in solving difficult problems. And not just the kind of scientific and technical problems that nerds have traditionally solved. As the world progresses, the number of things you can win at by getting the right answer increases. Recently getting rich became one of them: 7 of the 8 richest people in America are now fierce nerds.</i>&quot;<p>It&#x27;s good that we&#x27;ve gotten past the tedious &quot;solving society&#x27;s problems&quot; blather.<p>&quot;<i>If you do choose the ambitious route, you&#x27;ll have a tailwind behind you. There has never been a better time to be a nerd. In the past century we&#x27;ve seen a continuous transfer of power from dealmakers to technicians — from the charismatic to the competent — and I don&#x27;t see anything on the horizon that will end it. At least not till the nerds end it themselves by bringing about the singularity.</i>&quot;<p>Isn&#x27;t Graham a dealmaker? Isn&#x27;t that exactly what Y Combinator does?<p>And given Graham&#x27;s comments about inequality, why am I ambivalent about the singularity of the fierce nerds?
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hardwaregeek大约 4 年前
Surprisingly, I&#x27;d argue that athletes are an example of fierce nerds. I think people vastly underestimate how nerdy top athletes are. They&#x27;re people willing to devote their entire lives to obsessively analyzing a single game. Somebody like Jordan had to spend hours, days, years of their life just constantly shooting a ball at a basket. Not to mention the obsession with meta and strategy.<p>We like to see people like Jordan or Kobe as normal people who happen to be really good at basketball. I disagree. They&#x27;re nerds who happened to do a profession that doesn&#x27;t seem nerdy to the public.
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eggbrain大约 4 年前
For me, as much as I am competitive, I feel like it only drives me when the odds of what I am competing for feel somewhat fair.<p>To give an example, a lot of my friends have been into Magic the Gathering for many years, and I recently tried to get into it myself, but the asymmetric gaps were too large for me to enjoy it -- they had way more knowledge, more cards, had spent more money, and had more time to spend playing outside of work hours, resulting in me getting crushed again and again.<p>There was two options I could take: 1) Try to catch up on years of accumulated knowledge, or 2) Change tactics, and see if instead I could play a game we all were more similarly matched with. I chose the latter.<p>In entrepreneurship, I feel like it&#x27;s no different. For me, fighting a large startup on common ground is a losing game -- they have the money, the manpower, the knowledge, the social proof, and more. As competitive as I am, and as hard as I push, it&#x27;s not going to be a fair fight to begin with. So instead, it&#x27;s about me finding a battlefield where the odds change more in my favor -- perhaps something that doesn&#x27;t scale, something I have innate knowledge in, etc.<p>Not sure if that lines up perfectly with what PG is saying here, but it&#x27;s worked well for me.
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coldtea大约 4 年前
&gt;<i>There&#x27;s also a natural connection between nerdiness and independent-mindedness.</i><p>Is it, or it&#x27;s just an anecdotal projection from PGs own experience (&quot;I&#x27;m nerdy and I consider myself independently minded, also know a few others like that&quot;).<p>This is just extrapolating from the diminishingly small number of nerds who are also SV entrepreneurs.<p>But historically nerds (e.g. 50s and 60s &quot;propellerheads&quot;) were just working for companies and research labs as employees, and mostly on what they were told. Most still do exactly that.<p>Socially also many nerds otherwise follow the herd and &quot;try to belong&quot; with the &quot;cool people&quot; (often in vain).
pattusk大约 4 年前
&gt; Most people think of nerds as quiet, diffident people. [...] In fact some nerds are quite fierce.<p>That someone would think nerds are not competitive is, to me, the strangest thing about this article. Perhaps because I&#x27;m one, but whether it&#x27;s Magic the gathering, Demoparties, rubics cube solving, chess, Counterstrike LANs, academia, or any of my tech jobs, every &quot;nerdy&quot; activity I&#x27;ve ever engaged with has always been overly competitive.<p>The fact that so many open source projects have had to adopt &quot;code of conducts&quot; is IMO a direct reflection of the fierce competition that has always been inherent to software development. Whether it&#x27;s code quality, clever hacks, optimization... everything about what we do has a competitive element.<p>Come to think of it, I can&#x27;t actually think of any nerdy activity that isn&#x27;t, in practice, extremely competitive.
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helen___keller大约 4 年前
I enjoy reading Paul Graham&#x27;s musings on nerds &#x2F; nerdiness, but I can&#x27;t help but have difficulty relating.<p>Maybe it&#x27;s a generational thing (born in &#x27;92), but Graham often seems to paint a picture of nerds similar to what you might see in movies and TV shows depicting the 80s, like the kids in Stranger Things.<p>Even this article, while I can certainly conjure which of my friends growing up were the &quot;fierce nerd&quot;, it still feels a little disconnected from my reality.<p>For example, Graham begins by explaining that the concept of a fierce nerd is one unknown to the general public. But I&#x27;m not sure I agree. In the era I grew up, there was not so much social distinction between who is a nerd, but there was a lot of social distinction for those who were argumentative, or &quot;fierce&quot;. In my experience, everyone knew who the &quot;fierce nerds&quot; were (although not by that name), because they were known for their awkwardness and combativeness - not for their nerdiness. Indeed, my own nerdy friend circle in high school spanned a wide range of popularities and I would say &quot;fierceness&quot; (or rather, lack thereof) was probably the best indicator of popularity.<p>I see these themes spanning Graham&#x27;s other musings on nerds, typically trying to characterize a class of kids who are hated for their interests and passions, but that&#x27;s just never been my experience. I think it&#x27;s a generational thing.
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stephc_int13大约 4 年前
So, this is the second installment of Paul Graham&#x27;s analysis of the various unwelcoming reactions to the MightyApp announcement a few weeks ago.<p>Especially the last part.<p>He is not completely wrong, but also visibly bitter.
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shmageggy大约 4 年前
I don&#x27;t see the point in inventing some arbitrary social category, when it&#x27;s only backed by what seems like little more than speculative drivel.<p>&gt; <i>Another solution may be to somehow turn off your fierceness, by devoting yourself to meditation...</i><p>Huh? Lots of highly successful and effective people (who he would probably call fierce) cite meditation as a crucial tool for increasing their focus and mental discipline. This is just a bizarre take.
Bukhmanizer大约 4 年前
A lot of this essay feels a lot like cold reading of tech workers. PG brings up the 8 richest people in America, but if you look at the top like 10-15, the VAST majority are tech CEOs. So that’s who we’re talking about here.<p>First, “independent-mindedness”. I’m guessing that if you survey people, approximately 95% of people would consider themselves “independent-minded”.<p>Then he talks about social awkwardness and intelligence. I would say about 90% of tech workers would consider themselves both of those things.<p>And competitiveness? Probably any CEO could be considered somewhat competitive. Just to succeed at that scale probably requires some competitiveness.
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hamburga大约 4 年前
Nerds are already high-status. Look who just hosted Saturday Night Live.<p>The contrarian position is to be anti-nerd and pro-charm. Taleb on this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.azquotes.com&#x2F;author&#x2F;18869-Nassim_Nicholas_Taleb&#x2F;tag&#x2F;nerd" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.azquotes.com&#x2F;author&#x2F;18869-Nassim_Nicholas_Taleb&#x2F;...</a><p>&gt; Charm is the ability to insult people without offending them; nerdiness the reverse
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MyHypatia大约 4 年前
I met a lot of nerds in graduate school. In my experience the &quot;fierce&quot; nerds weren&#x27;t smarter or successful than the &quot;nonfierce&quot; nerds. The fierce nerds were just more insecure and emotionally immature. They felt more threatened by being surrounded by other people who might smarter or more successful than them. It threatened their identity of being uniquely intelligent. They responded by lashing out.<p>It may be that this source of insecurity is a driving force. But years later, when I see who is more successful I think it is the nonfierce nerds. The fierce nerds exhausted themselves with petty disagreements and arbitrary hills to die on. The nonfierce nerds were able to focus on the hills worth climbing and recruit others to work with them.
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scythe大约 4 年前
&gt;Fierce nerds also tend to be somewhat overconfident, especially when young. It might seem like it would be a disadvantage to be mistaken about one&#x27;s abilities, but empirically it isn&#x27;t. Up to a point, confidence is a self-fullfilling prophecy.<p>As a child I was mathematically precocious and often (to myself) compared my modest accomplishments to stories of prodigies like Gauss or von Neumann. Looking back it seems patently ridiculous, but I might not have spent dozens of hours per week reading math textbooks and Wikipedia if I had had a more realistic self-perception. I can&#x27;t say I regret it.
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CoastalCoder大约 4 年前
Nobody who knows me would call me &quot;woke&quot;, except as part of some joke.<p>But as the father of a kid with Asperger Syndrome, and as someone with a likely diagnosis myself (according to neuropysch testing), I&#x27;m a little bothered by the broad brush with which P.G. is painting.
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bradleyjg大约 4 年前
Why do we need to <i>reclaim</i> nerd? A lot of us have painful memories associated with the term, can we just let it fade into well deserved obscurity?
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nashashmi大约 4 年前
&gt; The bad news is that if it&#x27;s not exercised, your fierceness will turn to bitterness, and you will become an intellectual playground bully: the grumpy sysadmin, the forum troll, the hater, the shooter down of new ideas.<p>Can’t stress this enough. Some reach for what others have. Others reach for what they need but get trolled into thinking they have nothing and start reaching for what others have.<p>This is the equation for misery. And the opposite is the equation for success. But I admit this is just one dimension and datum on the look of life.
postit大约 4 年前
Most of us doing tech for more than 20 years grew up as a fierce award nerd.<p>Them somewhere aroud early 2010s being a nerd was the new cool and paid off. Tech teams had more non-nerd competent engineers, and suddenly nerds are a target for complains and a bad example of teamwork.
bryanrasmussen大约 4 年前
&gt;As the world progresses, the number of things you can win at by getting the right answer increases.<p>Either that or in history there are certain junction points in which a number of hard problems arise and if you are good at solving hard problems at that point you are going to do well for yourself. After which there is a period of consolidation until the next rise of hard problems. Probably Mr. Graham wouldn&#x27;t like to consider that idea though.
strict9大约 4 年前
With descriptions of social clumsiness, being independent minded, and difficulty navigating two-way communication (when to start&#x2F;stop) pg&#x27;s depiction of &quot;nerds&quot; resonates because these traits are frequently associated with asd.<p>But what surprised me is that instead of washing away negative traits as part of the package, two options for the &quot;fierce nerd&quot; are presented:<p>1. use power for good<p>2. be cynical and embrace bitterness<p>It&#x27;s a lot easier to do #2 than #1.
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HDMI_Cable大约 4 年前
Does anyone else feel sort of weird when Paul Graham talks about nerds? It feels like he&#x27;s trying to deal with something on his end, and we&#x27;re just watching him rationalize to himself.
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jasonwatkinspdx大约 4 年前
For years I&#x27;ve labeled this nonsense the Midas Delusion: people get dramatically unusual success with their startup, and then conclude that they somehow have superior insight into every banal topic they choose to opine on. They fail to properly understand the path dependency and sheer luck that played a roll in their success, nor that the biggest lesson their success should teach them is humility in the socratic ignorance sense.<p>This is a very large number of words to essentially say &quot;when I was a jerk in the past it was actually virtue.&quot; If you don&#x27;t see that plainly and transparently I&#x27;m not sure what to say to you.<p>PG deserves credit for creating YC, but from the narrative in this essay it&#x27;s clear he does not even understand how that happened or his own role in it (assuming he&#x27;s not being straight up dishonest in his writing). He&#x27;s a deal making power player, nearly a king maker, not a technocratic nerd. No amount of essay writing will erase that reality.<p>I am so very weary of this nonsense being taken seriously as sage advice.<p>We already have too many reductive stereotypes in tech. Let&#x27;s not lionize them.
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0xbadcafebee大约 4 年前
Any fierce person can be overconfident, productive, and a giant douchebag. With fierceness, you can &quot;win&quot; even if you&#x27;re stupid. (Recent worldwide national political appointees make this a fact.) The &quot;Nerd&quot; part just means this fierce person lacks social awareness.<p>It&#x27;s good to be fierce and intelligent, but it&#x27;s really important to be compassionate and empathetic too. IQ without EQ is wealth without health. If you truly want to enjoy life, if you don&#x27;t want to make other people miserable, and you would like other people to raise you up in good company, you need to work on how you treat and think about other people. For nerds I think this is as difficult a problem to solve as any other they could attempt.
moolcool大约 4 年前
This article reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer goes to college and expects it to be exactly like Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds.
courtf大约 4 年前
As usual, there&#x27;s a fair bit of &quot;just so&quot; equivocating going here (success being the antidote to bitterness stands out as especially over-rationalized, as if anyone was really wondering why the successful are so cheerful, ignorance is bliss Paul). That said, I like this essay a bit more than recent previous entries. The level of fierceness your workplace can tolerate definitely varies a lot, and on multiple axis, one of which is whether or not it&#x27;s currently fashionable for people of your category to have an attitude. There&#x27;s also a difference between &quot;fierce&quot; and &quot;anti-social&quot; which could be explored a bit more. And lastly, competition has been ramping up since forever, and with it comes unproductive, unnecessary fierceness and extreme focus on short horizons for everyone,even those not naturally inclined toward either, which is lamentable.<p>Overall though, I&#x27;d say this does describe a certain set you are likely to find in tech quite accurately, although the correlation with success and wealth probably has more to do with investment preferences than any actual operational advantage created by this behavior. Believing in the need for hyper-competitive fierceness while also having influence over the direction of funding turns it into a self-fulfilling prophecy, when the reality is that luck and timing are much more impactful. No VC will ever just admit they&#x27;re playing craps, and would rather everyone believe they have special knowledge that allows them to count cards.
l8again大约 4 年前
Paul Graham is a good writer - I give him that. But this piece can&#x27;t be taken seriously. Please don&#x27;t go interrupting everybody in meetings to show that you are intellectually superior.
slibhb大约 4 年前
In the essay, nerds are identified as socially awkward, not necessarily quiet but out of their element in social situations. And sure, Crick rubbed people the wrong way, because he was loud and overly-sociable. But wasn&#x27;t he, by Watson&#x27;s account, absolutely in his element in social situations? Isn&#x27;t the main complaint about Crick the fact that he was too loud (especially his laugh), too willing to solve other people&#x27;s problems?<p>And was Watson a nerd at all? I think the magic of The Double Helix is that Watson tells the truth (or &quot;his truth&quot;) to a fault. That&#x27;s necessary for good biography and it&#x27;s very rare but I don&#x27;t get the sense that Watson is unaware of what he&#x27;s doing or what the consequences will be. It seems like a conscious decision to write down everything he thinks and, as they say, publish and be damned.<p>Anyway, I think the essay is making a semantic error here by identifying the usual heroes (odd men out, innovators, people who refuse to go along, people who do their own thing) as nerds. There&#x27;s no doubt that going against the grain is almost a prerequisite for being an admirable person and also for being someone who changes the world. I just don&#x27;t see that as nerdiness.
AlexCoventry大约 4 年前
&gt; <i>Another solution may be to somehow turn off your fierceness, by devoting yourself to meditation or psychotherapy or something like that. Maybe that&#x27;s the right answer for some people. I have no idea. But it doesn&#x27;t seem the optimal solution to me. If you&#x27;re given a sharp knife, it seems to me better to use it than to blunt its edge to avoid cutting yourself.</i><p>Meditation doesn&#x27;t necessarily lead to a reduction in &quot;ferocity.&quot; The Buddha was a fierce nerd, according to Graham&#x27;s characterization of &quot;fierce.&quot; He took on an ambitious goal, and made immense sacrifices to see it through. He could also be quite &quot;fierce in his speech, post-enlightenment. E.g.<p>&gt; &quot;And to whom, worthless man, do you understand me to have taught the Dhamma like that? Haven&#x27;t I, in many ways, said of dependently co-arisen consciousness, &#x27;Apart from a requisite condition, there is no coming-into-play of consciousness&#x27;? [2] But you, through your own poor grasp, not only slander us but also dig yourself up [by the root] and produce much demerit for yourself. That will lead to your long-term harm &amp; suffering.&quot;
rektide大约 4 年前
I greatly dislike the emphasis on competitveness. I think that&#x27;s incredidnly wrong &amp; not at all a part of fierceness.<p>many who have great vast deep activation potential (belief &amp; knowledge &amp; could mpetrncy, long &amp; hard accrued) do not personalize themselves so.<p>Becoming comfortable with ambiguity, with not knowing, with mystery is one of the finest clearest signs of intellect to me. these folk are both deeply empassioned, fierce, but receptive able to be persuaded, not decidi ares to a side or themselves. they recognize the non-zero sum nature of reality, recognize that there are many lessons &amp; potentials for improvement everywhere. to be fierce is to be hungry, to want to find the right &amp; true &amp; uncover &amp; make use of as much as possible, to learn more, see more, experience more, much of which will be tainted &amp; not right but in those failures equally constructive &amp; establishing.<p>deeply dislike some of the characterizations here, but also grateful to have some persona of some kind of integrity that somewhat resembles the mensches I still identify the nerds as being strivers for.
stephc_int13大约 4 年前
These days, being a nerd or being &quot;on the spectrum&quot; is mostly synonymous.<p>And now we have this attempt at describing the properties of a sub-category of &quot;Fierce Nerds&quot;.<p>In my opinion, this is a poor model, not super useful and with many potential drawbacks related to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Essentialism" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Essentialism</a>.
courtf大约 4 年前
PG often writes about people as if they have immutable characteristics, like being mean, or a hater, or a loser, or having fierceness. It&#x27;s a dull, incomplete way to look at the world that makes his writing wooden and unrelatable. Observing the world, especially fellow human beings, in such rigid, discrete contrasts would seem to drain life of any dynamism, producing a grayscale vision of reality that belies all but the most shallow information about any subject. Despite admitting his ignorance of their origins, he still doesn&#x27;t hold back on suggesting motivations and life stories that might explain people&#x27;s behavior. Why anyone would turn to a VC for this kind of writing baffles me, but I guess there are people out there who entertain themselves by reading appliance manuals and the like.
lawrenceyan大约 4 年前
Though there is room for fierceness as an engine for motivation, generally kindness&#x2F;understanding over bluntness&#x2F;abrasiveness is the way to go for meaningful long term impact. There’s a reason, for example, why Sundar Pichai became CEO instead of anyone else. This is also an argument against Paul’s proclamation of “fierce” leaders being required for successful businesses.<p>Overall though, I agree with the general sentiment of the post. The end paragraph was a nice touch:<p>&gt; There has never been a better time to be a nerd. In the past century we&#x27;ve seen a continuous transfer of power from dealmakers to technicians — from the charismatic to the competent — and I don&#x27;t see anything on the horizon that will end it. At least not till the nerds end it themselves by bringing about the singularity.
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Communitivity大约 4 年前
Expertise with people, technology, and finances could be view as three legs of a startup. Each has their own form of fierceness. As a casual observer, it seems to me that the ideal founder formula is a fierce networker&#x2F;marketer, a fierce nerd, and a fierce businessperson.
dncornholio大约 4 年前
If you don&#x27;t let the word nerd affect you with bad feelings, the post is pretty OK.<p>I don&#x27;t think nerd is a bad thing to say anymore.<p>Also I can identify me with this personality. Last few years I can find myself turning more into bitterness and I just started realising that the cause is not external.
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qxga大约 4 年前
&quot;I&#x27;m less sure why fierce nerds are impatient, but most seem to be. You notice it first in conversation, where they tend to interrupt you.&quot;<p>The answer is pretty obviously ADHD. Interrupting and &quot;impatience&quot; are very common traits in people with ADHD.
femiagbabiaka大约 4 年前
Very good. One thing I’m surprised wasn’t mentioned (or at least I didn’t catch on the first read) — IMO, on average, this kind of person will have much better experiences on the bitterness to invigoration spectrum at startups vs. bigco.
est31大约 4 年前
See also: Why nerds are unpopular. Feb 2003. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;nerds.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;nerds.html</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7759892" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7759892</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13475146" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13475146</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24710474" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24710474</a>
sbt大约 4 年前
A lot of this is just the description of an emotionally immature person.
RobRivera大约 4 年前
&gt;[1] To be a nerd is to be socially awkward, and there are two distinct ways to do that: to be playing the same game as everyone else, but badly, and to be playing a different game. The smart nerds are the latter type.<p>while I value the observation and concur, I&#x27;d like to semantically edit it vis :%s&#x2F;socially awkward&#x2F;behaviorally atypical&#x2F;g<p>&#x27;awkward&#x27; just rubs me as poor word choice. for instance, throw me into a cs:go chat and I am the norm, complete with trolling, voices, and other things.
Nasrudith大约 4 年前
The success and bitterness footnote seems very off. In my experience and observations bitterness seems to be more driven by &quot;scarring&quot; than current success. A bad situation doesn&#x27;t help but a good one is no antidote.<p>There is the &quot;one who made it out&quot; archetype for one example. The kind who left a very unsuccessful community and have even less sympathy for them than those taking a priveledged background for granted.
grae_QED大约 4 年前
&gt;To be a nerd is to be socially awkward, and there are two distinct ways to do that: to be playing the same game as everyone else, but badly, and to be playing a different game.<p>Perhaps I&#x27;m mistaken, but I&#x27;ve always been under the impression that this is what it&#x27;s like to be a geek. Maybe someone can help me understand the two. I&#x27;ve always identified more as a geek for this reason, but maybe I&#x27;m a nerd.
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KaiserPro大约 4 年前
&gt; The fierce nerds are a small but interesting group.<p>If by interesting you mean &quot;humorless bellend&quot;, then yes, I agree wholeheartedly.
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tomp大约 4 年前
Thanks, Paul, for writing this. It really puts a few of my traits into perspective, including being rude (interrupting people... <i>just get to the point, dammit!</i>) and being awkward (yeah, I just don&#x27;t care about the game of &quot;emotions&quot; or whatever most people are playing)...
SilurianWenlock大约 4 年前
&gt; As the world progresses, the number of things you can win at by getting the right answer increases.<p>What does this mean?
MikeTaylor大约 4 年前
&gt; In the past century we&#x27;ve seen a continuous transfer of power from dealmakers to technicians — from the charismatic to the competent<p>... writes a man who was evidently not paying attention to the US presidential election of 2016 or the UK Conservative Party leadership election of 2019.
mikece大约 4 年前
I can&#x27;t help thinking that &quot;fierce nerd&quot; and Asperger syndrome go together. There will be some random Steve Jobs assholes as well but I think they are the exception.
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langitbiru大约 4 年前
&gt; There has never been a better time to be a nerd. In the past century we&#x27;ve seen a continuous transfer of power from dealmakers to technicians — from the charismatic to the competent<p>What happens if a nerd learns how to be charismatic? It&#x27;s a winning combo, I guess.
miobrien大约 4 年前
It&#x27;s weird to read an &quot;essay&quot; about &quot;nerds&quot; from a 56 year old. It&#x27;s like he never got over the high school caste system of cliques.
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notacoward大约 4 年前
The problem with glorifying fierce nerds is that there are already too many of them. (Or us, perhaps, but not for me to say.) Sure it&#x27;s great to have a few fierce nerds trying unconventional things, challenging orthodoxy, etc. Unfortunately, when there are many fierce nerds, they start to compete among themselves to have the <i>most</i> contrarian ideas and often to establish themselves as the <i>earliest</i> champions of those ideas as soon as possible.<p>This rush, not only to be right but to be right when everyone else is wrong and to show them the light, is what makes people susceptible to bandwagons, cargo cults, and conspiracy theories. We see it plenty right here. Elsewhere we see it in QAnon. In both we see it in arguments about COVID origins and countermeasures.<p>Like a chemical compound that&#x27;s therapeutic in one dose but toxic in another, fierce nerds can be either a good thing or a bad thing. We&#x27;re <i>already</i> well into the toxic side, so I think this is a poor moment for pg or anyone else to glorify more.
5tefan大约 4 年前
A difficult topic. Everyone of us has a story to tell and a burden to carry. Focusses on some fierce nerds and misses all others. The gamut of personalties is vast. Got to try to bring out the best in people.
goatcode大约 4 年前
TIL &quot;fierce&quot; in the nerd world means having a massive ego and a severe over-estimation of how awesome you are. These kinds of people make me sick, regardless of whether they&#x27;re nerds.
tutfbhuf大约 4 年前
It is possible on HN to hide certain posts. I really like this feature. I wonder whether it is possible to hide some websites like paulgraham.com altogether. That would be great.
mempko大约 4 年前
Paul Graham, The Fierce Nerd Eater. Feed him fierce nerds. Many will be chewed and spit out. Some will succeed. Like highly competitive athletes (even more so, some become billionaires!). Those spit out need help with mental health.<p>Or maybe instead of abusing mentally fragile people, we need something a bit more healthy.<p>We need to make it honorable to fail and those that fail get the help they need. We need to make the harms as small as possible and the benefits as broadly shared as possible. But many nerds trying many things don&#x27;t need to be fierce. We can have many experiments with cooperation not competition. We need decentralization not centralization.
pbhowmic大约 4 年前
With respect, has there been any social science or psychological studies on the &quot;fierce nerd&quot; and its observed characteristics as Graham has noted here?
smeeth大约 4 年前
Not a big fan of this essay. I believe quite strongly that ~what you are~ is a product of ~what you do~ and not the other way around. In this framing, &quot;Fierce Nerd&quot; is nothing more than an arbitrary categorization of a set of exhibited behaviors.<p>Graham has observed that intelligent, competitive, inquisitive, and confident individuals can do well in today&#x27;s economy. He has also identified pitfalls associated with being too aggressive, too confident, or lacking other skills.<p>I am unable to find the positive value of sticking a label on this coincidence of qualities and strongly implying the quantities and characteristics of these qualities are at least mostly inherent (with the exception of &quot;fierceness&quot;, which apparently can be &quot;turned off&quot;). Of course nature does play a role, but why ignore nurture? It must be quite depressing to believe you are condemned to a life of little personal development.
alexyz12大约 4 年前
Nerdiness is an expression of trauma. Pain in our lives leads us to recede into areas of interest. These can be things that &quot;fix&quot; us or things that we are naturally good at or become good at. Its all therapy to feel better about ourselves. Everyone has trauma and everyone is a nerd in some area. Aggression is projection. When lashing out we chose areas of safety from which to do it. Thus people who have been hurt chose to be aggressive in their areas of expertise. Boom fierce nerds.
splithalf大约 4 年前
This essay reminded me the thin line between constructive fierce nerdiness and dysfunction. It’s hard to navigate the perimeters.
dkarl大约 4 年前
This essay falls flat for me because I think Paul Graham is only talking about nerds of my generation, people who are in their forties and older. I don&#x27;t see any nerds like myself and my friends in the generation that is in their twenties now.<p>It&#x27;s interesting to think about the difference, though, and he does nail a few things about nerds from my generation. Most importantly, that being socially awkward was a prerequisite, because functioning social instincts would have prevented you from ever saying anything unconventional or investing time in learning things that were outside the norm. Without the internet to expose people to a diversity of views packaged in well-edited, easily digestible chunks, the socially acceptable range of interest was limited entirely to what people heard from tradition, network television, and if you were &quot;edgy,&quot; MTV. Any progressive ideas you got, any historical perspective you got, anything you learned about different cultures, any cool ideas you had about the future, you got from books and magazines, and you were a total weirdo if you treated them as part of the shared world you inhabited with other people.<p>And I&#x27;m talking about pretty mainstream stuff. Like, if you remembered something out of a National Geographic article you read and repeated it in conversation, that was already letting your freak flag fly. So we came to identify reading, curiosity, and a progressive attitude with social inappriopriateness, with grossness, and this had an enormous impact on us. It affected the way we presented ourselves, the way we dressed, everything.<p>A hugely consequential example is our gut response to the feeling that we&#x27;re about to say something that other people would find off-putting or offensive. We learned the habit of embracing that feeling. That was the feeling we got whenever we admitted to liking a book we read in English class, or talked about anything to do with science or math, or said, hey, did you know the last time that country had a democratic government we overthrew it? If those things were good, then it was good to embrace the feeling of social disapproval they generated, the way an athlete embraces the burning in their muscles in a hard workout. To be honest and intellectually engaged, we had to be weird and distasteful, and we learned not to trust anybody who shied away from that.<p>The younger generations of nerds, I feel like they trust peer influence more. When they feel like they&#x27;re about to say something inappropriate, their instinct is to pause and recheck their thinking, which, I have to say, I&#x27;m kind of jealous of that. They take it for granted that the people they feel pressure from are people they choose as their peers, people who reflect their own values and therefore have the potential to improve them.<p>For my generation, being socially maladjusted felt like a moral imperative. We had to be socially maladjusted to be the people we wanted to be: curious, open-minded, engaged with the information and ideas trickling in from outside our little towns and schools. It was necessary, but it selected for people who already had a difficult time integrating socially and then further warped us in a way that maybe the generations after us aren&#x27;t warped.
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soheil大约 4 年前
&gt; 7 of the 8 richest people in America are now fierce nerds<p>I wonder if he&#x27;s counting Warren Buffet as a fierce nerd, I would.
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lvs大约 4 年前
Is this not just a broad ad hominem against people with whom this venture capitalist has had prior disagreements? If only you choose to do risky things that are (inexplicably in many cases) capital intensive -- i.e. engage investors in ways good for them -- then you will be a good nerd. Investors will make you rich. Everyone will be happy. But if you don&#x27;t engage investors, then you will become a bad nerd! Bad nerd! Bad!
Grustaf大约 4 年前
&gt; In ordinary social situations they are — as quiet and diffident as the star quarterback would be if he found himself in the middle of a physics symposium<p>I don&#x27;t think a QB is ever &quot;diffident&quot;. I bet he&#x27;d feel a lot more confident there than the nerd on a football field, or really anywhere.
airhead969大约 4 年前
Impatience due to rules not applying to them. And delay is often some form of BS. &quot;Strategic&quot; impatience when patience encourages faster results. (Manipulating people on the highway to drive faster or change lanes through various techniques.)<p>Nothing precludes actual fierceness rather than strictly fitting to an archetype. I used to illegally street race for cash. I can detail strip most Glocks, ARs, and AKs, and fire each without occluded aiming. Grandfathers were both competition military wheel gun marksmen. There are such people as nerdy bodybuilders.<p>I took the SAT-I without any preparation (absolutely zero) and aced the math section, 5 on AP Calc BC with minimal preparation at school; no coaches, no practice tests, and no bootcamp classes after school. My school was supposed to be good but it sucked in one particular way as it picked me through testing to represent a math tournament but sent me completely unprepared in the fields and subject matter, it was embarrassing. I was usually the lone white dude amongst mostly Asian and Indian overachievers who had rich af parents with every sort of coach and social help. I road a steel-framed bicycle to school 4 miles each way everyday, they had hand-me-down BMWs and Mercedes parked in the school parking lot.<p>The other issue is like BUD&#x2F;S and specops, the people told they couldn&#x27;t or were unsuited also tend to be the ones with the most heart. Someone can&#x27;t wish to be more fluidly-intelligent, but they can become more relentlessly-resourceful and dog-with-a-bone. Wisdom, experience, and mastery trends to swamp raw intelligence as someone ages... plus, fluid intelligence tends to decline.
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hvaoc大约 4 年前
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jt2190大约 4 年前
[Here&#x27;s my best summary of what a &quot;fierce nerd&quot; is, according to this essay]<p>Most non-nerds think of nerds as:<p><pre><code> * quiet * diffident </code></pre> In fact some nerds are quite fierce. &quot;Fierce nerds&quot; are:<p><pre><code> * small group [subset of nerds overall?] * more competitive than highly competitive non-nerds * competition is more personal for them; they&#x27;re not emotionally mature enough to distance themselves personally from competition * work in areas that are less random in the kinds of competition they engage in [no points for persuasion or style, I suppose] * somewhat overconfident, especially when young * intelligent, at least moderately so * independent-mindeded, see fitting it as wasted effort * annoyed by rules * impatient, not sure why </code></pre> [I&#x27;ll let you draw your own conclusions.]
maxxsh大约 4 年前
Please comment who didn’t recognize yourself :)
vs4vijay大约 4 年前
Can this be a cause of ADHD?
sudosteph大约 4 年前
Like knows like. That description definitely fits me, my husband and a few other people I in my life who I care about deeply. We all know we&#x27;re obnoxious sometimes - but we&#x27;re all just trying to root out the truth of things and improve things as well as we know how. It&#x27;s a little annoying that we are pushed into pursuing capitalist endeavors over other things right now - but practically speaking, you can make a lot more change in less time if you have the capital for it.<p>Still, it&#x27;s stuff like Andrew Yang&#x27;s presidential run that really give me hope that we might be on the cusp of changing things outside of business as well. Not just in politics (obviously, since he lost) but at least in culture - with coherent ideas and platforms that can&#x27;t be ignored. There have been others in the past who were like us and tried similar things (Huey Long comes to mind), but understanding technology gives our generation a huge economic tool that we can also use to our advantage. Of course, if my peers are any indication: our society and entire economic system seem designed for the express purpose of making millennials depressed. And it&#x27;s not really easy to shrug that off and just build things when the state of so many people you care about is so dire.
henning大约 4 年前
You can have a good career and a good life without being a macho asshole bully. Grow up.
xiaodai大约 4 年前
&quot;In the past century we&#x27;ve seen a continuous transfer of power from dealmakers to technicians — from the charismatic to the competent&quot; hard to justify given Trump
egypturnash大约 4 年前
“I’m not an asshole! I’m a FIERCE NERD.”
mikekij大约 4 年前
Random question about PaulGraham.com: I noticed that the header of his blog posts are always images; not text. e.g. &quot;fierce-nerds-1.gif&quot;. Does anyone have any idea why he renders the title as an image? And do we think this happens programmatically? Or is he firing up ImageMagick every time he posts?
logicslave大约 4 年前
&quot;If you do choose the ambitious route, you&#x27;ll have a tailwind behind you. There has never been a better time to be a nerd. In the past century we&#x27;ve seen a continuous transfer of power from dealmakers to technicians — from the charismatic to the competent — and I don&#x27;t see anything on the horizon that will end it. At least not till the nerds end it themselves by bringing about the singularity.&quot;
shalmanese大约 4 年前
PG gets dunked on on Twitter for defending Antonio Garcia Martinez but he knows he&#x27;s right even though everyone is making fun of him so his natural defense mechanism is to go back and create an elaborate framework to prove he&#x27;s right and it&#x27;s just that nobody else can see he&#x27;s right.<p>You see, AGM isn&#x27;t a misanthrope misogynist, he&#x27;s fierce! He says the things everyone else is afraid to say and thinks the things everyone else is too afraid to think because he&#x27;s an Unconventional Thinker (TM). Everyone else is simply just too threatened to acknowledge this and that&#x27;s why they&#x27;re bullying PG.
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TechBro8615大约 4 年前
Fierce nerds read this and say “that’s totally me!”
question000大约 4 年前
This feels weirdly like someone working out emotional issues by describing them in an emotionally distant &quot;rational&quot; way. Like what does this have to do with anything other then the thoughts in Paul Grahams head?
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iafiaf大约 4 年前
&gt; The bad news is that if it&#x27;s not exercised, your fierceness will turn to bitterness, and you will become an intellectual playground bully: the grumpy sysadmin, the forum troll, the hater, the shooter down of new ideas.<p>I like this.
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fallat大约 4 年前
Awww did someone get their feelings hurt?<p>The more this Paul Graham person writes the more I realize they are just another regular person.
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