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Siemens acquires Supplyframe, owners of Hackaday and Tindie

272 点作者 kevinbowman将近 4 年前

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ChuckMcM将近 4 年前
This is great news for Supplyframe.<p>But there is a darker undercurrent here that really needs some introspection. The &quot;makers market&quot; of today doesn&#x27;t work.<p>Let&#x27;s compare the market between say 1975 and 1985 with the market between 2010 and 2020. Money spent on the early market supported no less than 6 monthly printed magazines, several chains of electronics component stores (Radio Shack&#x2F;Tandy&#x2F;Dick Smiths&#x2F;Marples(sp?)), a host of retail outlets, and several equipment manufacturers selling into the market.<p>In the &quot;modern&quot; era, there are no profitable magazines or web sites or blogs or ANYTHING with respect to this hobby, there are NO brick and mortar retail components stores, and no equipment maker sells into this market.<p>So why is this? I suspect that a large chunk of that is money. In particular, the &quot;cost&quot; of things has gone so far down that the money selling those things is a mere pittance of what it was before. But salaries of people to run these businesses, offices, etc hasn&#x27;t changed. Nor has postage or warehouse space etc. But the interesting follow on effect is that it makes no sense to pay $8000 for an advertisement (the full page price of an ad in Modern Electronics in 1980) when you might generate an additional $4K in revenue. Similarly for blogs or podcasts where 70 to 90% of the ad revenue goes to the ad network (Google, Bing, Etc.)<p>Open source is great, but without money people have to work other jobs and so their ability to contribute quality time to their hobbies, much less full time to them, is that much harder to do.<p>I used to write free lance articles for Byte, Dr. Dobbs, and others and they would pay me $600 - $800 per article. A recent article suggests that the editors for Hackaday get paid but the places they link? They just get &quot;exposure.&quot; (cue the Oatmeal comic on spending &quot;exposure&quot;).<p>There are some standouts, like Adafruit, but even there the margins are tight and the operations are small. They are certainly not a &quot;Radio Shack&quot; level of enterprise.<p>I don&#x27;t know what the &quot;fix&quot; is, but there is some re-imagining, re-inventing that needs to go on here to pay these people who put in their time to make the &quot;maker movement&quot; work. Or it will continue to struggle.
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moolcool将近 4 年前
I hope hackaday manages to stay around. They&#x27;re the only blog I know which has maintained a high quality though all of these years and through many different owners.
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tpmx将近 4 年前
Wow. This is so doomed to fail. German bigcorp with a faked startup culture unit ingesting Hackaday&#x2F;Tindie.<p>Congrats to the sellers.
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BoysenberryPi将近 4 年前
Huge fan of Hackaday so I&#x27;m really not with this acquisition but if you offer me 700,000,000 for my blog I&#x27;d sell it too. I wish them the best of luck.
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ptorrone将近 4 年前
i will be interviewing the team at siemens and maybe some of the folks at supplyframe &#x2F; hackaday &#x2F; tindie -- post up any questions you want me to ask (disclosure: i started hackaday 16 years ago or so, have nothing to do with this now).
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tomcooks将近 4 年前
Am I the only one being surprised that what I perceived where the last bastions of pop DIY culture were in fact just farming for corporate acquisition?<p>This is a bummer, time to forego http and switch to nicer realms.<p>&gt; This will help customers to reduce costs, increase agility and make highly informed decisions.<p>Thanks for informing me about how to make decisions and somehow &quot;increase agility&quot; whatever the f that is supposed to mean. Piggusting corpowhorespeak.
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robert_foss将近 4 年前
That&#x27;s all very unfortunate. Having worked with German behemoth companies before I can&#x27;t think of any positive outcomes.
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antattack将近 4 年前
&quot;for USD 0.7 billion. The transaction unlocks significant value for customers of Supplyframe and Siemens, providing seamless and quick access to both Siemens’ offerings and Supplyframe’s marketplace intelligence. [...]The acquisition also strengthens the Siemens portfolio through Software as a Service (SaaS) &quot;<p>Software as Service appears to be the ultimate goal.
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zwieback将近 4 年前
It&#x27;s always interesting to me what kind of stuff Siemens gets into these days. My grandpa was a Siemens lifer building power plants and actually lived in Siemensstadt before and during WWII.<p>Hard to imagine what the connection to hobby electronics is.
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jhallenworld将近 4 年前
It&#x27;s odd that my side project is now being sold by Siemens. What will happen if I start selling motion controllers (or other things that compete with Siemens) on there?<p>On the plus side, maybe they can expand the payment options beyond Paypal.
hexagon5un将近 4 年前
There is a lot of FUD and speculation here.<p>Hackaday isn&#x27;t going anywhere.<p>Ask me how I know: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hackaday.io&#x2F;hexagon5un" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hackaday.io&#x2F;hexagon5un</a>
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baybal2将近 4 年前
I wounder why? $0.7B for a blog, and a wordpress shop?<p>Cheap money make &quot;miracles&quot; these days.
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antattack将近 4 年前
Siemens could expand HaD to be like Github for makers.<p>Maybe even compete with Autodesk by making it easy to use their PCB and CAD software on the platform.<p>And, compete with AWS IoT and other cloud services by offering Siemens&#x27; own, compatibile with Adafruit modules.
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dclaw将近 4 年前
Extremely disappointing. Siemens has no business owning or purchasing these sites. Shame on Supplyframe.
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kevinbowman将近 4 年前
Press release at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;supplyframe.com&#x2F;press-releases&#x2F;siemens-accelerates-digital-marketplace-strategy-with-acquisition-of-supplyframe&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;supplyframe.com&#x2F;press-releases&#x2F;siemens-accelerates-d...</a>
satya71将近 4 年前
Didn&#x27;t realize Hackaday and Tindie were making $70m in revenue. Siemens seems to have good track record in other acquisitions in EE space. I guess they&#x27;re trying to go up against Arrow, Avnet, etc
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UncleOxidant将近 4 年前
Siemens likely doesn&#x27;t care at all about and may not even be aware of Hackaday. Wouldn&#x27;t it be fairly easy to restart Hackaday elsewhere if Siemens chooses to defund it?
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teclordphrack2将近 4 年前
So what the heck does Supplyframe even do? Went to the website and can see all the glossy feel good front end bs but can&#x27;t really see what they actually provide.
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timwaagh将近 4 年前
I don&#x27;t really understand what Siemens wants with SaaS or indie hardware creation et cetera. I know they do both heavy industry and some consumer electronics. I don&#x27;t really see the synergy here. Maybe they are just looking for ideas? But I&#x27;m sure Siemens could read these websites without an expensive acquisition. Anyone understand it a little better?
luma将近 4 年前
As a Tindie seller, I have hopes that this injection of cash will address several outstanding issues with the platform.<p>I sell a DIY touchscreen home automation controller that I build by hand in my basement[1]. My product is targeted at DIY types interested in owning their own home automation environment. The project utilizes a 3D printed enclosure, a custom PCB, an ESP8266, Nextion LCD, and a few supporting components, fasteners, etc. All firmware, gerbers, STLs, etc are open source and available on GitHub[2].<p>I didn&#x27;t really intend to sell these things, but several interested users who didn&#x27;t have access to the required tools or skills talked me into listing on Tindie. It is a great platform for my use case - basically zero friction to get a simple store stood up and to start collecting orders. There is nearly no customization possible, you simply upload some markdown, setup your products, then add your PayPal info to collect payments.<p>Over the years, users have been requesting (seemingly simple) features to be added to the platform. For example, the Tindi API is a read-only affair. You can collect your orders via the API, but once you&#x27;ve shipped them, you cannot use the API to mark the order shipped (or provide tracking info, etc). User requests for this functionality have been made going back to 2015, and nearly immediately, statements were made that an &quot;API v2&quot; was coming &quot;soon&quot;. You can request beta API access, but in my case that request went unanswered and no others have suggested that their access was granted either. 6 years later, there is still no way to mark an order shipped without clicking around in the web UI.<p>More concerning has been the lack of any ability to deal with taxes. US law now requires that I collect and pay state sales tax, but Tindie can&#x27;t handle it and shows no sign of ever adding that feature. The list goes on, no way to handle UK VAT post-brexit, no ability to utilize payment providers besides PayPal, etc etc. Each request is met with &quot;we&#x27;re working on it&quot;, but in the 3 years that I&#x27;ve been selling on Tindie, I&#x27;ve never once noticed any new features added to the platform and no community announcements to that effect have ever been made.<p>There is allegedly a development team behind this, but there is zero outward indication of any product development happening at all.<p>Hopefully a cash injection might get Tindie up to modern standards for a web store. I love the ethos behind the product, but the product itself is severely lacking.<p>Hopefully, $700M will help move this platform forward.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tindie.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;luma&#x2F;ha-switchplate-hasp-single-wide-assembled&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tindie.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;luma&#x2F;ha-switchplate-hasp-sin...</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;HASwitchPlate&#x2F;HASPone" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;HASwitchPlate&#x2F;HASPone</a>
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karlkloss将近 4 年前
Siemens is a bank with an affiliated electrical department. Expect the usual banker bs.
PicassoCTs将近 4 年前
Move seems to be part of that steam for (home&#x2F;industrial)-automation plan?<p>Probably doomed. German industry culture is toxic to software. Product perfectionism prevents shipping early and often, often doesen&#x27;t ship at all, cause hype dies before product is done.
croes将近 4 年前
The Siemens that has attracted attention in recent years mainly because of job cuts and bribe payments? Good night Hackaday.
lloydatkinson将近 4 年前
Oh no
mdoms将近 4 年前
I have two questions which aren&#x27;t answered in the article and seem like they should be,<p>* What&#x27;s Hackaday?<p>* What&#x27;s Tindie?
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