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Companies that make money by distributing misleading versions of VLC

248 点作者 etix将近 14 年前

13 条评论

jbk将近 14 年前
Disclaimer: VLC dev and VideoLAN chairman<p>I think the worse part of all this mess is that Google refuses to act and stop those. This was requested quite a few time and Google told us to go away because we didn't own all the trademarks in the US (even though we still have copyright).<p>Moreover, the safe-browsing initiative, used in Chrome 12, is a complete joke. Reporting one of those websites make the safe-browsing re-scan the website, and find absolutely no issue with it and white-label it, which is even worse...<p>I contacted the Safe-Browsing initiative to report the issue and they told me "that their wasn't any issue on those websites...". Right...<p>Of course, running any of those executables on your Windows machine makes MSE (or other antivirus) scream...<p>I hope that Google fighting spam initiative will improve the situation, but seeing <a href="http://vlc-download.com/" rel="nofollow">http://vlc-download.com/</a> on the first page of "VLC" search makes me wondering...
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troymc将近 14 年前
Last week, I changed my default search in Chrome to DuckDuckGo. Today when I do a search for VLC Media Player I get the "VLC media player" Wikipedia article in the red box at top, and <a href="http://www.videolan.org/vlc" rel="nofollow">http://www.videolan.org/vlc</a> as the top search result, with a nice little "Official site" label beside it.<p>I'm increasingly delighted by DuckDuckGo.
darklajid将近 14 年前
I wonder if there are any SEO people out there, doing pro-bono (is that even the right term?) work for open source projects like this?<p>It should be possible to fight back (or, as was discussed/suggested before, search engines are just broken).
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rwmj将近 14 年前
One problem with VLC is the genuine site's URL is not obvious. It is:<p><a href="http://www.videolan.org/vlc/" rel="nofollow">http://www.videolan.org/vlc/</a><p>but it's competing against (spammy) sites like "vlcdownload.org".<p>If they had vlc.com or changed their name to videolan, then it'd be better IMHO.
MetaMan将近 14 年前
I think the real issue is that there is a misalignment of "business models".<p>On the one hand you have an open Source project with little funding relying on a small group of volunteers acting mostly out of a sense of social responsibility and on the other hand you have dishonest rip-off artists able to make money for free with little or no practical sanction applied.<p>Its not really google's job to police the web (Note I'm not condoning Google's behaviour). The extent to which they do this depends on how well that policing activity aligns with their business interests.<p>The root problem is profit Vs non-profit in an environment with dis-interested / conflicted and or toothless regulatory bodies.<p>IMHO Money is metaphor for power and as long as VLC/VideoLAN is a 'not-for-profit' organisation they will have problems.
billpg将近 14 年前
So distributing copy of VLC with lots of malware added but still conforming with the GPL is okay?
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zenspunk将近 14 年前
Should Google somehow run background checks on every advertiser to see if they're breaking some US law? (or other countries' laws?) What broken laws should justify removal?<p>Should this be before or after they allow them to advertise? If before, this would inconvenience the majority of advertisers who are legitimate. If after, should Google investigate every incoming report of illegitimate advertising? Or, how many reports should warrant an investigation by Google?<p>Regardless, can Google remove these Adword listings without legal issues (i.e. without risking being sued)?<p>Getting these scammers off the front page of search would be relatively easy - it can be solved algorithmically. They're probably working on it now, with their anti-linkspam initiative.<p>But I don't see how Google could get them off Adwords without employing hundreds or thousands of people to review advertisers, but this would create more problems of greater magnitude than it would solve.<p>They could crowdsource it to narrow the (retrospective) review process, but this would create a secondary market of advertising, which I doubt Google wants, nor users would want to deal with.<p>I can't think of a way for Google to solve this problem without creating larger ones.<p>It's the responsibility of governments -- not internet advertising platforms -- to police copyright law.
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mwill将近 14 年前
Worth noting it seems many of the sites listed at the end of the post are now offline.
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shadowflit将近 14 年前
So of course I agree that spam results are the heart of evil. But I'm confused. After reading the DDG comment, I plugged both "VLC" and "VLC Media Player" into both google and DDG, expecting to see bad results at google. Instead, the top 4 results (ignoring ads, of course) all point to videolan.org. Is this a case of my results being pre-filtered or something? I don't recall hitting the "this is stupid, make it go away" button too often on Google.
TeMPOraL将近 14 年前
Seeing that I am thinking more and more about creating a personal "never ever work with those people/companies" database...
arihant将近 14 年前
To me it appears that most have not changed the name and they are hosting the download files for free. Not all darkness here.
Zeus-TheTrueGod将近 14 年前
sudo apt-get install vlc. Really easy, so may be google is not the best way to download and install software ?
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omouse将近 14 年前
How can you say "intellectual" property and GPL in the same sentence? That's fucked up, seriously. The whole point of the GPL is to help erode the copyright system and make it unnecessary.<p><i>Of course this situation is not specific to VLC, other open source products are affected by this scourge and there’s not much we can do about it. They have the money to buy adwords, we don’t. Sadly, as a non-profit organization we don’t have the money to sue them.</i><p>Really? You would sue them? That's kinda dumb don't you think? Kinda gives legitimacy to the shitty copyright system...<p>Anyway, my solution would be to <i>ask for money</i> so that you <i>can</i> afford to take some action.<p>The other half of this solution is to setup a few spammy/malware-looking websites that offer the genuine product. Out-spam the spammers! There must be a reason people are falling for the spammers' marketing after all.<p>And judging by the domain names, you failed to pick up on that marketing. They have some key domain names; downloadvlcplayer.net, vlcdownload.org, vlc-media-player-blog.com. Those domain names should have been bought up a while ago. Create a new domain, something like free-vlc-download.com.
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