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It’s hard work to make ordering groceries online so easy

113 点作者 helloworld将近 4 年前

21 条评论

neonate将近 4 年前
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Animats将近 4 年前
Webvan, 20 years ago, had the right idea - don&#x27;t pick from retail stores, use a proper fulfillment center. But they had 3% market share in 30 cities, instead of 30% market share in 3 cities, because their VCs thought the &quot;first mover advantage&quot; was crucial. So they had too much infrastructure for their volume.<p>At Amazon scale, though, that approach works.
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easton将近 4 年前
So, is this just a HN thing (since engineer&#x2F;STEM salaries are higher than the usual population) or do a lot of people order groceries? I&#x27;ve looked several times, and I couldn&#x27;t figure out a way to get groceries to my house from either of the local grocery stores (one is about five minutes away, another is ten or so) without paying 30-50% more than just driving to the store myself (and that&#x27;s assuming you have a big order, if you just need some extra burgers at a party it could be up to double what it is in the store).<p>Instacart has a bunch of fees, I&#x27;m pretty sure Publix has a fee on top (although I&#x27;m not certain), you have to tip the driver, and you&#x27;ll get it hours after you order vs just running to the store and getting whatever it is you need and driving home. And the prices are inflated slightly. Even if I was super busy (or getting paid more money than I knew what to do with), that&#x27;s a lot of money vs just stopping in on the way home from work or running once on the weekend.
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ackbar03将近 4 年前
I&#x27;m still not convinced this whole business of grocery delivery&#x2F;fast food delivery is even a viable economic model. The value add is so tiny relative to the costs involved. An actual human being, A, must be paid to drive down to a store and deliver something for B who is too lazy to get off his couch for a burrito. The only way that would work is if A is being paid the bare minimum or if B has plenty of cash to spare. Even then, whatever value the middleman captures is supposed to fund this billion dollar startup with armies of engineers and office space and the works. I dunno, seems a bit wonky to me but maybe I&#x27;m just old fashioned.
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mariojv将近 4 年前
If using Instacart, consider switching to your local grocer&#x27;s delivery service instead. It&#x27;s kind of wild how many people in Texas used Instacart and never knew that H-E-B had their own delivery option. There&#x27;s generally far less markup for similar service, although the real-time conversation Instacart allows with your shopper is nice. Not nice enough to justify the mark ups for routine shopping, though, IMO.
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midasuni将近 4 年前
I’ve been buying groceries twice a week online from various U.K. supermarkets for well over a decade. Not everything always works - I remember a time in 2006 when they didn’t turn up in the prescribed slot, we left the house then they phoned irate when they arrived 90 minutes after the end of the delivery slot. Obviously there can be substitutions too, sometimes they’re fine, sometimes they aren’t<p>But on the whole of just works. Even at the start of the pandemic when demand was high, regular customers like me were prioritised. The impression I get is this isn’t the case in the US?
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bash-j将近 4 年前
The big two supermarkets in Australia use tablets attached to the trolley so the picker doesn&#x27;t have to carry the PDT with them. The pickers, delivery drivers are all employees of the supermarkets. In areas where they have enough customers, they have &#x27;stores&#x27; that are only for online fulfillment. You have to reserve a time slot, usually closer and more convenient equals more expensive. I once price checked the groceries compared to a receipt from shopping in person, and there was a 5% markup on items that weren&#x27;t on promotion. You can &#x27;click-and-collect&#x27; to save on delivery fees, but you still need to reserve a time slot well ahead, during the lock downs it wasn&#x27;t unusual to have to book a week out.<p>I worked in a DC for one of the supermarkets and the pick rate is closer to 200 cartons per hour. Cartons contain multiple units and can be pretty heavy depending on the product. It&#x27;s not for everyone, even with incentive paid on top of a healthy union wage, most people would quit after a few months. The good pickers made it look easy. Some had been working there 10, 20 years.
canada_dry将近 4 年前
Why I won&#x27;t order dairy&#x2F;produce&#x2F;meats&#x2F;frozen food online: while I&#x27;m shopping I&#x27;ll often see a stack of order boxes with perishable and frozen items slowly saunter through the non-perishable isles - either the picker is ignoring the process, or there isn&#x27;t one!<p>Plus, I always check to ensure I pickup the longest expiration date possible... pickers I would imagine would do the opposite (i.e. get rid of the store&#x27;s oldest stock first).
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vmception将近 4 年前
I still want a way to access grocery lists and prepopulate my cart with those items or the nearest equivalent<p>Just like with grocery delivery apps, people were dismissive of the reality where such low effort would be involved and yet in some areas there are only food delivery shoppers anywhere to be seen. this will also be a hit<p>Recipe blogs can allow the users to auto populate their carts on Amazon or other common grocery delivery apps that interface with their local area<p>The nutrition bloggers can just share their entire shopping list for one-click replication<p>People that dont find the discovery aspect of shopping entertaining at all can still have all of the upside without resorting to those prepackaged-meal-but-pretend-to-be-a-chef startups
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stevebmark将近 4 年前
I would love to see Instacart shoppers banned from grocery store main areas and instead use a coordinated pickup system out of sight, where they wait longer, have worse picks, and the grocery can do more organized stock providing. Instacart shoppers are a nuisance, they leave carts full of items in the middle of isles while they stare at their phones to try to figure out the item they need to find next. They block fish&#x2F;meat&#x2F;deli ordering as they try to figure out what the customer asked for. As someone whose main option for food is regular grocery runs, I want stores to be optimized for people like me, not food delivery.
bsder将近 4 年前
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opportune将近 4 年前
No mention of Amazon Fresh at the end when talking about groceries creating dedicated fulfillment centers? Amazon already does that and it works very well in my opinion. Out of all the delivery services I’ve used they have the best prices, most consistency (no mistakes or substitutions for me so far), and best delivery.<p>The biggest issue for most people would probably be that the selection isn’t on par with a regular supermarket. It’s still a wide selection, but by the very high American standards of having 600 different kinds of cereal it isn’t up to snuff. Since I mostly buy unprocessed food it’s not an issue for me but it could be for others.<p>Sometimes I go on the Amazon FC subreddit just to get a window into what working in Amazon is really like. A lot of people seem to actually prefer picking for Fresh as long as they don’t have to pick in the freezer. I don’t see a lot of complaints about throughput. It just feels like a much more sensible model than to pay third parties to run through crowded stores picking things - plus as someone who really hates substitutions, knowing they have Amazon’s warehouse software keeping track of their stock is nice.
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KingMachiavelli将近 4 年前
This is frequent result of when two completely independent decision chains meet but are drastically different in every other way.<p>The method by which grocery stores layout items can have a lot of per location variation or in other works per location knowledge.<p>Sure most store changes have it figured out for normal items but like the arrival notes, seasonal and temporary items often have incorrect information.<p>Even worse is when the normal stock location e.g cold beer in the beer isle is limited in capacity so overstock(?) is put in other locations that differ day to day, location to location. Good luck knowing that the overstock location for beer is the soda isle but also sometimes the seasonal area during any holiday or sporting event.<p>The other side of the decision process, are the companies doing these apps which optimize for every variable, make every picker 100% replaceable. It would be interesting if they could incentivize pickers to learn a handful of stores inside and out.
tsjq将近 4 年前
In India, Amazon owns a retail store chain. And does the ordering really well. I&#x27;m happy with it.<p>Other standalone supermarkets recieve orders through whatsapp, and deliver to doorstep. This is convenient when you know what you need. If needed they call you back to clarify .
alkonaut将近 4 年前
Why is this still a gig-economy job with pickups in regular stores (anywhere)? It&#x27;s not like when I order books from amazon that some guy runs an errand to a book store.<p>When I order food online it gets picked like an amazon order in a large warehouse fulfilment center. An online-only groceries store doesn&#x27;t need parking, signs, price tags, nicely stocked shelves and a lot of other things that drive up cost. They just need a huge selection and they can sit in an industrial area.<p>Obviously no one will just magically create these warehouses but his is a business that has existed at scale for a decade or more, the pandemic didn&#x27;t exactly come as a surprise.
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mbg721将近 4 年前
Maybe I&#x27;m weird about how I shop, but online grocery ordering never made sense to me. If I&#x27;m picking out meat and produce for the week, I want to see the dates&#x2F;ripeness and good deals before I decide what to get, and then plan meals around that. I tried delivery (Kroger) a couple times last year, and it was pretty rough--multiple packages of meat that expired that day, bizarre substitutions (canned green beans instead of frozen spinach), and a bag of completely unrelated stuff that we think belonged to someone else&#x27;s order. And on top of all that, it cost more; I don&#x27;t get it.
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philliphaydon将近 4 年前
It’s so easy in Singapore that I’ve become lazy. Even tho I literally live on top of the super market, I still order my groceries… delivery is free, I don’t have to deal with crowds, I can take my time, pick my delivery slot.<p>It’s TOO easy…
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physicsguy将近 4 年前
Ocado in the UK have really been clever with the way they&#x27;ve done it via automation rather than people. Worth reading about, I do wonder when they&#x27;ll make a profit though...
rawoke083600将近 4 年前
What i noticed in my country (South Africa) that recently had a mini-explosion in online-groceries systems. Is how terrible their &quot;search&quot; is.<p>Many of these companies are &quot;traditional&quot; brick-and-mortar stores and although they have lots of I.T skills, it seems there is very little digital-product skills. Like Solr&#x2F;ElasticSearch&#x2F;App-Dev etc..
Shadonototro将近 4 年前
the people who actually make things happen should be paid as much as javascript developers<p>their salary is a shame
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gnubet将近 4 年前
Only Daisy cottage cheese will do!