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Freenode commits suicide, is no longer a serious IRC network

272 点作者 OberstKrueger将近 4 年前

30 条评论

Syonyk将近 4 年前
I hope there&#x27;s a good postmortem on this in 5-10 years that explains what on earth all this nonsense is about, because it makes literally no sense.<p>Buy an IRC network, fine. If you want to use the domain for something else, just turn off the servers and do it. There&#x27;s no need for this absurdly complex, Rube Goldberg-esque process of pissing everyone off, then impersonating services, then dropping the services database entirely, then partitioning the network and joining people to a new network, and pissing more people off, and passive aggressive global messages, and...<p>I cannot wrap my head around what they&#x27;re even trying to <i>do</i> at this point. I&#x27;ve been on IRC in some form another for the majority of my adult life (including running my own IRC network for many years, starting out with some SE&#x2F;30s), I&#x27;m quite tolerant of random stuff going on, but I literally cannot find any sense at all in what the new owners are trying to do.<p>It&#x27;s like they had a great party going at their house, a few people started leaving, and then they started waving around a gallon of gas and a lighter, threatening to burn the house down if anyone else left. And people, reasonably enough, continued to leave. So, i guess this stage is the &quot;And they lit the house on fire, but moved all their friends to the shed and pretended it was still the house&quot; part of the analogy...
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ejj28将近 4 年前
So if I&#x27;m understanding this correctly as an outsider - Freenode is basically starting from scratch? Equivalent to a social network like Facebook being deleted with no warning, then having the brand used for a completely new network? If that&#x27;s the case, that&#x27;s pretty shocking, they&#x27;ve done so much to ruin Freenode&#x27;s reputation already but I never expected they&#x27;d do this.
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hlandau将近 4 年前
Author here. These lawsuits involving Lee are also of interest:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;corrupt.tech&#x2F;1708590130-ocr-compressed.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;corrupt.tech&#x2F;1708590130-ocr-compressed.pdf</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;distfiles.dereferenced.org&#x2F;stuff&#x2F;ltm&#x2F;1760687104.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;distfiles.dereferenced.org&#x2F;stuff&#x2F;ltm&#x2F;1760687104.pdf</a>
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xupybd将近 4 年前
My little pug dog goes crazy sometimes. Like proper crazy running back and forward, tail down ears back and grunting all the way. The first time my Wife&#x27;s best friends mother say this she looked on and said &quot;What is happening now?&quot;<p>Every time I read an article on Freenode I hear her voice in my head, in a thick African accent, &quot;What is happening now?&quot;
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Seirdy将近 4 年前
Adapting a comment I made in the wrong thread:<p>This happened right after Freenode banned IRCCloud users following IRCCloud staff statements suggesting users to migrate off Freenode and the launch of competing bouncer services.[0] Regardless of your opinion of IRCCloud, banning all IRCCloud users right after launching a competing service and hearing criticism is not a good look.<p>Now that most channels are dead and direct users to other networks despite staff&#x27;s best efforts to quell any criticism (channel migrations+topic-renaming, banning users, etc), I guess they decided to wipe everything and start over to more easily remove any references to Libera&#x2F;OFTC. In fact, it removes any every reference to anything at all.<p>If you had a bot that directed users to the actual location of your community, you should check to make sure that it survives this migration (this was probably part of the intent).<p>If you use Matrix and have left Freenode channels, the IRC-Matrix appservice bridge might still be keeping you connected. To leave Freenode, send a &quot;!quit&quot; message to the Freenode bridge appservice user, @appservice-irc:matrix.org.[1][2]<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20210612224853&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nitter.nixnet.services&#x2F;plainoldchair&#x2F;status&#x2F;14027451442191564" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20210612224853&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nitter.ni...</a> 83<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;matrix-org.github.io&#x2F;matrix-appservice-irc&#x2F;latest&#x2F;admin_room.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;matrix-org.github.io&#x2F;matrix-appservice-irc&#x2F;latest&#x2F;ad...</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;matrix-org&#x2F;matrix-appservice-irc&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bridged-IRC-networks" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;matrix-org&#x2F;matrix-appservice-irc&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bri...</a>
delsarto将近 4 年前
Sad to see something implode that has been taken for granted for literally decades. Shows that we should never forget someone is paying for the electricity in the background and finding ways to provide open infrastructure to our projects is an important endeavour. I find [1] similarly odd and it does not fill me with hope for the future.<p>I would encourage anyone to get involved in real open infrastructure through efforts such as <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opendev.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opendev.org</a>. Yes, resources are donated, but by a range of providers who have a vested in interest in what the community is producing. ARM64 has been a great example; Linaro providing hardware resources, which has enabled services to perform functional testing and build ARM64 Python wheels for publishing for a number of projects. This is a rising tide that floats all boats. No need to send a resume [2] and you can start contributing immediately [3,4].<p>It has been good run with IRC but I forsee moving to Matrix as the medium-term future and there&#x27;s plenty of opportunity for others to get involved with that (building home servers, admining, writing bots that provide the services we current provide on IRC, doc updates, community building).<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fosshost.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;freenode-faq" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fosshost.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;freenode-faq</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.fosshost.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;home&#x2F;volunteering-opportunities" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.fosshost.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;home&#x2F;volunteering-opportunities</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opendev.org&#x2F;opendev&#x2F;system-config&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opendev.org&#x2F;opendev&#x2F;system-config&#x2F;</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;review.opendev.org&#x2F;q&#x2F;project:opendev%252Fsystem-config" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;review.opendev.org&#x2F;q&#x2F;project:opendev%252Fsystem-conf...</a>
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samatman将近 4 年前
In my humble opinion, the question everyone is asking can be answered, more or less, by examining the following website:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imperialfamily.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imperialfamily.com</a><p>This will hint at where the money came from, and what&#x27;s up with the exceedingly poor judgement.
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simonw将近 4 年前
&quot;The old services database (registered nicknames, channels, etc.) is apparently gone. All of your registered nicknames and channels are gone. Anyone who wishes to continue to use Freenode (though at this point I honestly can&#x27;t imagine why anyone would want to) must re-register their nickname.<p>[...]<p>It&#x27;s literally open season for anyone who wants to impersonate someone else, steal their nickname, or take over someone else&#x27;s channel.&quot;<p>That&#x27;s astonishingly short-sighted thinking, even by the already rock-bottom standards of the current Freenode management team.
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halfmatthalfcat将近 4 年前
This has been the strangest saga in tech that I can remember in a long time...
eMGm4D0zgUAVXc7将近 4 年前
At this point I am not even angry anymore.<p>Instead, I am insanely <i>curious</i> about <i>why</i> they are doing such a large amount of very inflammatory actions in a short timespan!?<p>They must for sure know that they will 100% certainly destroy their platform. Why are they doing it anyway?
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gautamcgoel将近 4 年前
I&#x27;ve never seen a company burn goodwill among it&#x27;s users so quickly or effectively.
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hprotagonist将近 4 年前
<i>I met a traveller from an antique land,<p>Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone<p>Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,<p>Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,<p>And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,<p>Tell that its sculptor well those passions read<p>Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,<p>The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;<p>And on the pedestal, these words appear:<p>My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;<p>Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!<p>Nothing beside remains. Round the decay<p>Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare<p>The lone and level sands stretch far away.”</i>
mukti将近 4 年前
This whole situation makes me really angry; but I suppose I should be happy that enough of the ops left and formed libera ~a month ago. I think it is something about the snark in root&#x2F;rasengan&#x27;s messages, portraying this as &quot;saving FOSS,&quot; and &quot;doing it for the users.&quot; It&#x27;s upsetting to see (what seems like) one person with a lot of money and control destroy something that has existed and helped so many for decades. RIP Freenode, and thanks for the memories.
cellularmitosis将近 4 年前
&gt; We patiently await to welcome you in freedom&#x27;s holdout - the freenode.<p>Freedom&#x27;s holdout. Astounding.
Retr0id将近 4 年前
At this point, I&#x27;m just waiting for Lee to announce that he&#x27;s been trolling us all along (rather than admit the reality of his incompetence).
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Arbalest将近 4 年前
Why did they fail to communicate anything? What a good way to destroy trust. I&#x27;m now observing one channel who previously supported lee, and am curious if the stance will change, now that they have to jump through hoops to get their channel reregistered. It&#x27;s currently full of unopped idlers.
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GekkePrutser将近 4 年前
They do this, and there isn&#x27;t even a single note on the freenode website about it.<p>So they take the network with the few FOSS teams that still support them, and then basically wipe everything. Meaning every chanop permission is now in the hands of whoever happened to be the first idler that happened to auto-reconnect to the channel in question.<p>Really nice way of dealing with the teams that were still supporting you. No I&#x27;m not one of them. But I sure would be hella pissed if I were running a project channel on it.
0_____0将近 4 年前
RIP Freenode. Ye are yet one more IRC diaspora amongst the many before, but being one of the last major holdouts of IRC, I do believe this to be the end of an era. Godspeed.
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MattGaiser将近 4 年前
I have to wonder if they just wanted the domain name for something else, as they have burned everything else down.
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ChrisArchitect将近 4 年前
related&#x2F;discussion:<p>Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27501512" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27501512</a>
leoh将近 4 年前
This all would make an awesome South Park episode
brian-armstrong将近 4 年前
Does anyone know where I can short Freenode? Any arbitrage opportunities here?
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aftbit将近 4 年前
Most channels have moved to irc.libera.chat so all hope is not lost.
echoradio将近 4 年前
“It&#x27;s a new genesis for a new era. Thank you for using freenode, and Hello World, from the future. freenode is IRC. freenode is FOSS.”<p>War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength?
andrewmcwatters将近 4 年前
I wonder if this all would have ended differently if Freenode had been purchased and nothing changed initially for 12 months.
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asdfaoeu将近 4 年前
I mean freenode was already in a slow death before. This just seems to have speed it up.
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swiley将近 4 年前
Does anyone have access to the Amtrak&#x2F;VRE speech synth? (the dispassionate one they use for PSAs in the Alexandria station) I&#x27;d love to hear the global messages in that. I could hear the voice saying &quot;freenode is FOSS&quot; as I was reading them.
mr_vile将近 4 年前
Wow, that&#x27;s a very insensitive title.
optimalsolver将近 4 年前
Thank God there&#x27;s still Reddit.
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foxes将近 4 年前
To be honest, who on HN actually uses IRC anymore? Going on feeenode 5 years ago, it already felt lifeless. How can something already dead commit suicide :smile:. Maybe there were some obscure side hold outs?
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