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How to Be a Stoic (2016)

115 点作者 one2three4将近 4 年前

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trabant00将近 4 年前
The older I get the less wisdom I find in any philosophy that means to teach how we should live and particularly how to avoid pain and unhappiness.<p>The short of it is: nothing is good or bad, but things can be too much or too little. Where the line is depends or circumstances and is different every time. And the correct answer is mostly only available in hindsight if it is at all.<p>Pain is useful. We know physical pain is because there are people who don&#x27;t feel any and they injure themselves all the time. I find no reason or evidence emotional pain is any different.<p>I saw perpetually and unconditionally happy people. In a mental asylum. Enough said.<p>Trying to give up desire? Then what would motivate you do do anything at all? &quot;money, health, sex, or reputation&quot; are good things. You might exaggerate in these desires but that&#x27;s a &quot;too much of anything&quot; problem, not a desire problem.<p>Taking examples from the article: getting angry with a service provider can convince him not to try to wrong you in the future and save you unhappiness this way. Getting angry with people on the street giving you dirty looks doesn&#x27;t work because they are many and different every time. But still, that anger can convince you that you should move. And maybe you should.
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giantandroids将近 4 年前
I don&#x27;t understand this:<p>&quot;Much of Epictetus’ advice is about not getting angry at slaves. At first, I thought I could skip those parts. But I soon realized that I had the same self-recriminatory and illogical thoughts in my interactions with small-business owners and service professionals. When a cabdriver lied about a route, or a shopkeeper shortchanged me, I felt that it was my fault, for speaking Turkish with an accent, or for being part of an élite. And, if I pretended not to notice these slights, wasn’t I proving that I really was a disengaged, privileged oppressor? Epictetus shook me from these thoughts with this simple exercise: “Starting with things of little value—a bit of spilled oil, a little stolen wine—repeat to yourself: ‘For such a small price, I buy tranquillity.’ ”<p>Does this mean ignore it still ‘For such a small price, I buy tranquillity&#x27;?<p>EDIT: OK, turns out this is a repost of an article from 2016 where the same point above was already discussed here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13730657" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13730657</a>
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PradeetPatel将近 4 年前
Is it just me or is stoicism been heavily commercialised over the last few years, along with vipassana meditation.<p>There&#x27;s absolutely nothing wrong with getting employees to live healthier and more resilient lives, but the skeptic in me thinks that there may be other motives.
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dang将近 4 年前
Past threads:<p><i>How to Be a Stoic (2016)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19279613" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19279613</a> - March 2019 (79 comments)<p><i>How to Be a Stoic</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13728197" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13728197</a> - Feb 2017 (237 comments)
RcouF1uZ4gsC将近 4 年前
Stoicism always reminds me of the Disillusioned Sensible Man from CS Lewis’ Mere Christianity:<p>&gt; (2) The Way of the Disillusioned &quot;Sensible Man.&quot;—He soon decides that the whole thing was moonshine. &quot;Of course,&quot; he says, &quot;one feels like that when one&#x27;s young. But by the time you get to my age you&#x27;ve given up chasing the rainbow&#x27;s end.&quot; And so he settles down and learns not to expect too much and represses the part of himself which used, as he would say, &quot;to cry for the moon.&quot; This is, of course, a much better way than the first, and makes a man much happier, and less of a nuisance to society. It tends to make him a prig (he is apt to be rather superior towards what he calls &quot;adolescents&quot;), but, on the whole, he rubs along fairly comfortably.<p>&gt;It would be the best line we could take if man did not live for ever. But supposing infinite happiness really is there, waiting for us? Supposing one really can reach the rainbow&#x27;s end? In that case it would be a pity to find out too late (a moment after death) that by our supposed &quot;common sense&quot; we had stifled in ourselves the faculty of enjoying it.
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daseiner1将近 4 年前
“You desire to LIVE &quot;according to Nature&quot;? Oh, you noble Stoics, what fraud of words! Imagine to yourselves a being like Nature, boundlessly extravagant, boundlessly indifferent, without purpose or consideration, without pity or justice, at once fruitful and barren and uncertain: imagine to yourselves INDIFFERENCE as a power—how COULD you live in accordance with such indifference? To live—is not that just endeavouring to be otherwise than this Nature? Is not living valuing, preferring, being unjust, being limited, endeavouring to be different? And granted that your imperative, &quot;living according to Nature,&quot; means actually the same as &quot;living according to life&quot;—how could you do DIFFERENTLY? Why should you make a principle out of what you yourselves are, and must be? In reality, however, it is quite otherwise with you: while you pretend to read with rapture the canon of your law in Nature, you want something quite the contrary, you extraordinary stage-players and self-deluders! In your pride you wish to dictate your morals and ideals to Nature, to Nature herself, and to incorporate them therein; you insist that it shall be Nature &quot;according to the Stoa,&quot; and would like everything to be made after your own image, as a vast, eternal glorification and generalism of Stoicism! With all your love for truth, you have forced yourselves so long, so persistently, and with such hypnotic rigidity to see Nature FALSELY, that is to say, Stoically, that you are no longer able to see it otherwise—and to crown all, some unfathomable superciliousness gives you the Bedlamite hope that BECAUSE you are able to tyrannize over yourselves—Stoicism is self-tyranny—Nature will also allow herself to be tyrannized over: is not the Stoic a PART of Nature?... But this is an old and everlasting story: what happened in old times with the Stoics still happens today, as soon as ever a philosophy begins to believe in itself. It always creates the world in its own image; it cannot do otherwise; philosophy is this tyrannical impulse itself, the most spiritual Will to Power, the will to &quot;creation of the world,&quot; the will to the causa prima.” - Nietzsche
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bullen将近 4 年前
Nothing that ever reaches you is out of your control, because you always have to decide what you think about it.<p>The only way to be a &quot;stoic&quot; is to use sunlight that hit a tree millions of years ago, that really belongs to your children.<p>You are in control, and my tip is don&#x27;t burn that energy unless you really really need to, even if it feels good.<p>That and don&#x27;t respond to criticizm with &quot;what about you&quot;.<p>Responsability and respect, learn to use them, towards everything.
mcbishop将近 4 年前
A title of a Ryan Holiday book about stoicism has been a helpful mantra for me: The obstacle is the way.
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grzm将近 4 年前
(2016)
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anonytrary将近 4 年前
Being stoic is overrated. Much prefer when we actually talk about ideas and don&#x27;t just sit there mysteriously.
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